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Posts: 1898 (05/29/08 11:07 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Ok, so someone explain something to me. It's probably obvious, but why did Ben wreck the "bunny closet" by throwing all the metal in there? I mean I know it was to keep it from being usable, but why? It would seem that not many people would know about it to use it except maybe Richard.
pussycow		#1	[-]
Posts: 2299 (05/29/08 11:10 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	It seemed to me that it blew a hole in the wall so he could get down to the "frozen donkey wheel"
Shorty		#2	[-]
Posts: 1900 (05/29/08 11:12 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	oh der! I've been sick with a fever today. I'm not too with it. lol
stacy1201		#3	[-]
Posts: 197 (05/29/08 11:37 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Kinda like a microwave with the metal. Wonder what would happen if you put a peep in there....
GeckoIsGod		#4	[-]
Posts: 629 (05/30/08 12:22 AM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	stacy1201 wrote: Kinda like a microwave with the metal. Wonder what would happen if you put a peep in there.... greatest.question.ever.
Antithesys		#5	[-]
Posts: 22253 (05/30/08 12:58 AM) Gadabout Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Funniest thing anyone has ever said here.
CoconutPhone		#6	[-]
Posts: 13513 (05/30/08 6:46 AM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Yeah it was to make the whole to Ice Planet Hoth. BTW: Locke's reaction when the video said don't put metal in there dude and he notices Ben doing exactly that was PRICELESS.
StarRider		#7	[-]
Posts: 17700 (05/30/08 9:44 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I'm confused. Was the only way to access the wheel was to blow up the transporter? That doesn't sound right to me. Also, Ben's directions to Locke on how to find the elevator didn't jive either. He told him to go inside, walk down a certain hallway and find the nook with whatever flowers they were and use his left hand to activate it. But what we saw was the entrence was outside amongst all the plants. Am i missing something?
pussycow		#8	[-]
Posts: 2311 (05/30/08 9:47 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I wondered the same thing. I think they were inside the greenhouse, not inside the actual station. So maybe the "hallway" he meant was just an aisle in the greenhouse?
PagongSchlong		#9	[-]
Posts: 3426 (05/30/08 9:48 AM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	StarRider wrote: I'm confused. Was the only way to access the wheel was to blow up the transporter? That doesn't sound right to me. Also, Ben's directions to Locke on how to find the elevator didn't jive either. He told him to go inside, walk down a certain hallway and find the nook with whatever flowers they were and use his left hand to activate it. But what we saw was the entrence was outside amongst all the plants. Am i missing something? I agree 100%. The directions Ben gave Locke in TNPLH part 1 did not match up with what we saw happen last night. Second, it doesn't make ANY sense at all that the only way to the ice hole would be to blow up the Vault. There would seriously have to be another way to access it.
Misterpuff		#10	[-]
Posts: 1104 (05/30/08 9:59 AM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	PagongSchlong wrote: StarRider wrote: I'm confused. Was the only way to access the wheel was to blow up the transporter? That doesn't sound right to me. Also, Ben's directions to Locke on how to find the elevator didn't jive either. He told him to go inside, walk down a certain hallway and find the nook with whatever flowers they were and use his left hand to activate it. But what we saw was the entrence was outside amongst all the plants. Am i missing something? I agree 100%. The directions Ben gave Locke in TNPLH part 1 did not match up with what we saw happen last night. Second, it doesn't make ANY sense at all that the only way to the ice hole would be to blow up the Vault. There would seriously have to be another way to access it. I took it as a comment on how superficial the Dharma Inititative was. They were pulling rabbits out the space-time continuum while they could have moving the whole Island.... BOTOH if the polar bears were used to turn the wheel and end up as skeletal remains in Tunisia then the DI must have known about the Icy Wheel. Of Time.....
StarRider		#11	[-]
Posts: 17703 (05/30/08 10:31 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I just talked to a co-worker and his take was this - Yes, the entrance to the wheel was hidden and the pad needed to be blown up to access it. The video tape instructing not to put anything metal in it was it's defense against anybody accidently stumbling on to it. Ben of course knew it's secret and because the island exiles the person who utilizes it, it insures a limited number of people will ever know about it.
CoconutPhone		#12	[-]
Posts: 13520 (05/30/08 1:19 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	what Starrider said. I don't think they want everyone and their uncle to find the wheel. Not exactly on the Dharma tour I'm sure "And if you look to your left you'll find the wheel that we can use to move the whole island. Go ahead, give it a push!"
smokeitgood		#13	[-]
Posts: 5248 (05/30/08 2:53 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	But if the island has been moved before (which I'm assuming it has been in order for Charlotte to find the polar bear wherever she found it), then how did that portal thing get rebuilt? My main question from last night was what went wrong, because Ben put on that jacket because he said he was going to end up in a cold place, but we saw in that earlier flash forward that he ended up in a desert.
StarRider		#14	[-]
Posts: 17711 (05/30/08 3:33 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I would assume Locke would have to do it. When he said he was going to a cold place, he may just have meant it was cold where the wheel was, not necassarily where he would ultimately end up.
PoChop		#15	[-]
Posts: 1583 (05/30/08 3:45 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	smokeitgood wrote: But if the island has been moved before (which I'm assuming it has been in order for Charlotte to find the polar bear wherever she found it), then how did that portal thing get rebuilt? My main question from last night was what went wrong, because Ben put on that jacket because he said he was going to end up in a cold place, but we saw in that earlier flash forward that he ended up in a desert. I wouldn't assume that the polar bear got to Tunisia for the same reason Ben did. The island was not necessarily moved with a polar bear at the helm. Afterall the Dharma people were doing experiments sending bunnies around in time and space so the polar bear could have been sent in an experiment gone bad. I wouldn't think that they would put a conscious polar bear in that little chamber anyway although they could have drugged it first to keep it under control.
phantomkp		#16	[-]
Posts: 306 (05/30/08 10:31 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	So, PoChop...you think its just a coincidence that the donkey wheel cavern was artic, and polar bears just happen to like cold weather...no connection? Even though we see a polar bear in a Dharma harness out in the desert like Ben was transported to after turning the wheel? Even though we dont ALSO see a bunch of bunny carcasses in the desert? :P
Fluffynurse		#17	[-]
Posts: 13676 (05/30/08 11:46 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	So, PoChop...you think its just a coincidence that the donkey wheel cavern was artic, and polar bears just happen to like cold weather...no connection? No connection. Even though we see a polar bear in a Dharma harness out in the desert like Ben was transported to after turning the wheel? The Polar Bear was transported in the chamber just like the bunnies only it went to the wrong place & could not be brought back. Even though we dont ALSO see a bunch of bunny carcasses in the desert? :P Bunnies are small & they probably have not had an issue with transporting them some where & bringing them back. That or the bunnies went where they were supposed to go.
stacy1201		#18	[-]
Posts: 211 (05/31/08 2:00 AM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Did the Orchid move the island to a different PLACE or a different TIME? I thought the "time" idea was a long shot because landforms are pretty consistent through time, and the O6 definitely saw the island VANISH. But I just watched that part again and noticed that in the orientation video, Edgar was going to transfer the rabbit ahead 100 milliseconds, and right when the tape started messing up, he said something like, "For brief moments, the animal will seem to disappear." The island definitely disappeared for more than "brief moments," but the rabbit was significantly smaller than the island, and if they did move it in time, it was probably significantly more than 100 milliseconds. Also, maybe Ben pushing the donkey thing was like some sort of "manual override" because it seems like Dharma just used the time machine to transport small rabbits small amounts of time. There was some speculation in the past about Adam and Eve being Jack and Kate or Desmond and Penny, and I don't know who all else... It sounded insane to me, but this could support the fact that maybe it is someone from 815...that is, if the time machine can go into the past as well as into the future.
PoChop		#19	[-]
Posts: 1588 (05/31/08 4:31 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	phantomkp wrote: So, PoChop...you think its just a coincidence that the donkey wheel cavern was artic, and polar bears just happen to like cold weather...no connection? Even though we see a polar bear in a Dharma harness out in the desert like Ben was transported to after turning the wheel? Even though we dont ALSO see a bunch of bunny carcasses in the desert? :P There probably is a connection but that doesn't make it a coincidence. There's still the issue of Penny's listening station that's either in the arctic, or antarctic, or on a glacier somewhere. Does that location have anything to do with polar bears or Dharma? All I'm saying is the producers might be misleading people as to what the connections are right now. You never know what twists and turns they might take in the end to sort everything out! As far as I could tell the polar bears were being trained and conditioned to perform some series of complicated events in the fish biscuit cage. Was all that training required just to turn the wheel like Ben did? It didn't seem so cold that a person in proper clothing couldn't hang out in the donkey wheel room for a while so I'm not convinced the polar bears were trained to live or do anything down there. (Ben wasn't even wearing gloves when he moved the wheel but it's a good thing he didn't lick the wheel and get stuck...) It is possible that there are other deposits of that strange matter on the island or at other places on the globe where it's also cold. Perhaps the bears were being trained to retrive some of that strange matter for other experiments on the island, like let's say in the Swan hatch. It might be safer to send in a bear to do that than a human incase something bad happened, but then why not send in a chimpanzee or something? I don't think we have a clear picture of what the polar bears were for yet with the possible exception that they have a very odd fertilization and gestation cycle that might have also been researched on the island. I'm sure we'll get all our answers next season... The island probably moved in both space and time. Maybe only weeks or months into the future and maybe only a matter of hundreds of miles. Or maybe not. It's rather doubtful it went millions of years into the past or future if Locke still manages to get off the island in the future. Of course if the island moves only 200 milliseconds into the future and continues to always remain 200 milliseconds ahead of any time until the wheel is turned back then perhaps it would not be visible since it is "out of phase" with any present reality on the outside world. Which makes me wonder if it's always doing that which is why you can't see it from the real world. Presumably our LOST heroes could see the island while on the helicopter because they were inside the island bubble of strange physics, but then that begs the question why didn't they also get transported with the island - particularly if the island wants them to remain on the island? Were Faraday and the redshirts in the bubble as well? Or did you have to physically be on the island to get transported? Very strange stuff. Last Edited By: PoChop 05/31/08 4:45 PM. Edited 2 times.
Rapunzelella		#20	[-]
Posts: 298 (06/01/08 10:29 AM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	did the polar bear dharma collar have any metal in/on it ? maybe the island was utterly suspended from space-time and will reappear in x-amount of time, only the earth has rotated y-amount so island-plus-its-associated-chunk-of-ocean will reappear in a slightly different location

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