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In retrospect saying that Heidik "took Survivor's innocence away" was pretty dumb, but I still stand by what I meant and putting him at #1. Yep, there were 'evil' people before him (Richard, Jerri) but his no-holds-barred strategy paved the way for people to follow in his footsteps and basically forced the show to turn away from being character-driven to being game-driven, which isn't nearly as interesting to me. But like I said, it was probably going to happen anyway and he just accelerated it.

That'a not being fair because it wasn't a lock that Kucha would have won the IC that was cancelled. As I recall, Rodger had sat out the blindfold RC and would have had to participate in the IC. If the IC would have involved swimming, Ogakor would have had an advantage.

I think Varner said it was swimming-related but he insisted that Kucha had it in the bag. He's biased obviously so I'm not going to definitively give Kucha the point. But either way, had Kucha lost, Jeff was next on the chopping block most likely, so Ogakor wouldn't have a chance to force a tie against him. And I don't mean to kick Mike while he's down for it by any means, but whether Kucha wins the next IC or not, Mike taking Jeff or Jerri's place in Barramundi makes for a completely different merge situation.

Really, Jenna can only be held responsible for taking out one winner. The other Jenna quit and Jenna Lewis was not at the TC's where Ethan and Hatch were voted out.

Right, and like I said, I know there were plenty of ASS contestants who were all about taking out the strongest and best-placing players. Dethroning Rich was on everybody's mind, and Cesternino was too dangerous to take to the merge. But Jenna was the one who led the way for it and she was fortunate to be on a tribe with someone who already had baggage with a winner on the tribe (Jerri) and two pretty weak-minded players (Rudy and Rupert). I think that's what makes me single out Jenna for it; she felt entitled to the game consisting of weaker contestants. She made a comment in the first episode like "They've already won; this is our game. Get the hell off our playing field," and then an episode later when Ethan finds out he might not get the boot, he pinpoints Jenna in his sarcastic little "Thanks for granting me this one wish" bit. Even if she didn't actually have a hand in getting rid of all the winners, she was absolutely one of the biggest ringleaders behind the idea.