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emjoi |
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Well, that ruined the thread.
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survivorisdabest |
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wtf crazy frog
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Edinboro |
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gibson97 wrote: I definetly definetly definetly agree with this. |
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SucksSucks |
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ribald2008 wrote: Not ruined as in 'destroyed' but ruined Survivor from what it could have been. |
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ribald2008 |
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ic!
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Mega64 |
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4) Most of all, him losing in the F3 forced the show to switch to a Final 3 faces the jury format, which has (and we'll all agree) sunk this show down the shitter.I still say a F3 is much better than a F2. In CI, if we had a F2, it would've clearly been Ozzy/Sundra with a small chance of Yul/Becky. At least with a F3, we had a nice Yul/Ozzy showdown, something we rarely get anymore because you'd either have two good players and one goat or one good player and two goats in the F3. ASS is the only season from Thailand to EI to have a 4-3 vote, so it was nice having a showdown between two big players (even if Ozzy was a douchebag and immunity whores are overrated as fuck, as much as I loved Terry). As for Fiji, think about this. Who's likely to win in a F3 immunity challenge? Dreamz. And who would he have taken? Cassandra. The F3 prevented a Dreamz/Cassandra F2. Did you really want the fucking horrible Dreamz to win Fiji? Of course, Cassandra may have had a good chance to win since the jury hated Dreamz even more than we did, but she didn't really do anything either, so it's a toss-up. Regardless, Earl likely would've lost F3 immunity since he wasn't exactly a challenge god and could never match Dreamz's hobo strength. Plus a F3 gave us a unanimous vote for Earl, totally shutting out both Dreamz and Cassandra, who would've voted for each other in a F2 situation with one on the jury. So a F3 improved Fiji more than a F2 would (though then Earl may have tried to keep Yau-Man anyway and a fire challenge between Yau-Man and Cassandra... China's was entertaining just because Courtney got more votes than Amanda. A fucking coattail rider who mocked people behind their backs and really did absolutely nothing beat out someone who actually strategized. Of course, that's because Amanda has a ridiculously horrible social game and one of the most idiotic jury performances of all time, which is really bad for being the only person to face the jury twice, but hey, it gives me more of a reason to laugh at Amanda if she couldn't even beat Courtney. And let's not forget what would've happened if Cirie was in the F3 as planned. ...And this has nothing at all to do with the topic. Overall, I agree with the original post. Yeah, Lex ruined ASS, and he was a whiny self-entitled douchebag, but it's not like he inspired other people to be douchebags. Those people did ruin how others would play the game and how viewers would watch the show, thus ruining the show on a far greater scope than some Twatwaffle. Of course, Twat also voted for Amber and let her win, so it's mostly his fault for rewarding her UTR coattail gameplay by not fucking voting her out, but it's also Rob's fault for playing a fucking horrible social game and alienating Tom and Alicia so badly. I mean, they were both fucking horrible and anybody else would've won against them. But you also got to blame the rest of the cast for letting them win. Fuck All-Stars. Probably the worst-post merge of the entire series, with nobody likable and straight Pagonging throughout leading to a douchebag/goat F2 that actually led to the goat winning. Wow. |
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The Very Insane Shark |
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I still say a F3 is much better than a F2. In CI, if we had a F2, it would've clearly been Ozzy/Sundra with a small chance of Yul/Becky. Naw...it would've been Ozzy/Becky with Becky winning. |
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GodIsAnAtheist |
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The Very Insane Shark wrote: Right, because the only way Ozzy got those 4 votes is because Yul was magically added into the occasion.
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CSCin3D |
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Nate: Ozzy
Candice: Becky Jonathan: Becky Parvati: Ozzy Adam: Ozzy Sundra: Becky Yul: Becky |
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survivorsims07 |
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1. Lisi 2. Rocky BITCHESSS
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GodIsAnAtheist |
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Entire CI jury - Ozzy
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MrWhiteFolks |
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Man, you bitches need to get a life. I dont remember most of these people, let alone what they did or if they did or didnt ruin a show.
I just remember hotties and fucknuts. Hotties - Elisabeth, Darah, Michelle, Amanda and some other bitches I don't remember. Fucknuts - Dreamz, that 'metal' guy that thought the cute blonde chick was in love with him, the two fucknuts who looked like Tommy Lee, etc. Both entertain me. I can give a fuck if Rupert 'ruined' anything. That fat bastard was on what 10 years ago? |
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Double Edged Sword |
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cadge33 wrote: Like oral sex.
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CrimsonSky |
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Amber, hands down was the worst. Like someone said previously she is the matriarch of floaters, coat tail riders and incompetent immunity/reward challenge
participants.
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colleenlover |
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1. COLLEEN -(unwittingly). love her, but the post Borneo need for people to want their short ride to fame and play up to the cameras, curtailed some of the
cut-throat potential from most players for quite awhile. And of course for turning down All-stars -good for her, but probably would have put a whole new
dynamic in there -with Amber or Jenna L not even being considered (more likely Amber)
2. KIM P -for ruining the best possible exciting comeback and endgame in Africa, by thinking short-term. 3. AMBER, LIS, RODGER (as a collective) -in not teaming up for at least one round and curtailing the Colby, Tina, Keith known bloc. 4. KELLY W -for winning immunity when it could have given Colleen the final immunity sweep and had the potential storybook, underdog comeback against the evil Tagi alliance (perfect Summer fare, and probably wouldn't be as thirsty for another season after Evil Richard wins) 5. CHET -not for being injured, but for not at least voting out Ozzy and then giving his allies (namely Tracy) a shot in the game after they had helped him out. Vote out Ozzy and then quit at least. I can complain about quitters and ego -but that fuels the show and is needed. I just think players that ruin it are when the outcome is obvious if they don't make a move. |
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beatles20147 |
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These might not be the five but they're some of the ones who immediately came to mind.
5. Kim P. - What CL said. 4. Mike - Thanks for falling into the fire, buddy. A Kucha F6 would've been predictable but way more entertaining than the "good people" + Amber and Keith. Besides, Tina could still slip through the cracks since she's almost definitely the last Ogakor picked off. Only problem here is that we lose Jerri three episodes early but the Varner/Skupin dynamic was priceless and having that extend a few more episodes would be well worth it. Outback is incredible for the first half and then pretty much dead after F7. A Kucha endgame would have been much better. Since we didn't know Kucha's long-term dynamics it would've made for an unpredictable finish too. 3. Jenna L. - I despise her for many reasons, but even though she was in no way the weakest choice for ASS, if you want to blame anyone for ruining it, don't blame Lex, don't blame Rob; it's Jenna's fault. I'm sure Jenna wasn't the only one who was deadset against seeing a winner win again. But nobody else took it to the degree she did, where she basically felt entitled to outlasting them. To her, they didn't deserve to be there and she wanted to make sure they didn't get anywhere close to the end. Picking off the strong is a legitimate strategy, but it was bound to make ASS an incredible disappointment--only one person who'd made it to the final four the first time managed to make the final seven, and outside of him, the highest-placer had scraped up sixth the first time around. And Jenna was the one who led the pack as far as making sure that the endgame was going to consist of the weakest people who managed to make the cut for ASS. 2. Vecepia - Probst put it very well when he said that in terms of casting a player, they did a great job with Vee, but as far as TV goes, terrible pick. Vee wasn't the first bland person cast on the show (and she wasn't even the most boring person in Marquesas) but she was the first person (and Danni later followed seven seasons later) who deliberately went out of her way to make for boring television. "Too much drama"--kudos for a fantastic strategy but Kathy losing was bad enough; having the winner come out of nowhere rubbed salt in the wounds. I can't hold it against her; she did what she needed to win the million, and good for her that it worked out. But Survivor's not about a game, it's about making an entertaining TV show, and the casting people screwed up with Vee in that department. 1. Brian Heidik - Ok people, put down the gun (I'm not a puppy) and I'll explain. Some people attribute the desensitization of Survivor to Cesternino, but the credit/blame should go to Heidik. The early seasons were all about how far would people go to win a million bucks--at what point do the ethics kick in, etc. With rare exceptions, you don't find Gabes and Rodgers with moral boundaries anymore--not that you always need them, but they actually throw the game for more of a loop amidst all the hardcore strategists and whatnot. Anyway, Heidik's win killed the innocence of Survivor by proving that an ice-cold asshole with not one iota of regard for the people he was with--outside of them being his own personal chess pieces--could prevail. When he won, boundaries pretty much ceased to exist in Survivor. No strategy was off-limits anymore, and it really destroyed the human aspect of the show that made the first few seasons so appealing. |
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GodIsAnAtheist |
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beatles20147 wrote: You are DEAD.TO.ME. Though I agree, to an extent.
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beatles20147 |
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The "put down the gun" line was specifically intended for you and FML actually.
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finishthemoff |
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Funny enough, Brian and Vee are very close off the show. They are known as "Outcast winners", but you had to give prop to Brian for being the first
winner who actually won the final challenge.
I know you would be reluctant to do that, but you might want to add either Tom or Yul in Brian's place as the most one-dimensional winner. Yul was given a ticket to F3 (without informing castaways ahead of time that there will be F3) and Tom going up against the army of ill-prepared mactors then a legion of asskissers. That is not entertaining to watch. BTW Great list, CL. Even that caught me by surprise. |
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finishthemoff |
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How can Terry be worse than Tom when he was outnumber 6 to one when Tom had the number on his side? Tom didn't face the opposition like Terry did.
Honestly, I think Susan ruined ASS for me when she walked out of the game when we know she had serious entitlement issue going on. I'm going to make a list coming up in July. Stay tune! |
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