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Zzunk

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But dontcha think the person elected as President should be a person willing to sacrifice, if not die, for their country. Obama seems ambivalent on the patriotism stuff, which makes me wonder who he "represents" if not America first? Ya really can't fault Hillary for the number of times she's thrown herself under the bus and survived.

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Zzunk wrote:
But dontcha think the person elected as President should be a person willing to sacrifice, if not die, for their country. Obama seems ambivalent on the patriotism stuff, which makes me wonder who he "represents" if not America first? Ya really can't fault Hillary for the number of times she's thrown herself under the bus and survived.

GMAFB. Last time I checked Hillary was not a veteran either, nor was her husband.

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'Politico': Scott McClellan Hits White House in New Book

NEW YORK Former White House Press Secretary Scott McClellan is re-emerging, at least, with a memoir due out next week, titled "What Happened: Inside the Bush White House and Washington's Culture of Deception" (Public Affairs, $27.95).

Mike Allen, with a preview copy, calls it, at Politico.com, a "surprisingly scathing memoir." He reveals: "A few reporters were offered advance copies of the book, with the restriction that their stories not appear until Sunday, the day before the official publication date. Politico declined and purchased 'What Happened' at a Washington bookstore."

The New York Times, following that, posted a story on its site later on Tuesday but added little to the Politico quotes. It did observe that the McClellan, calls the news media "complicit enablers" in the White House's "carefully orchestrated campaign to shape and manipulate sources of public approval" in the march to the Iraq war in 2002 and 2003.

Here is a sampling of the "explosive revelations" as described by Allen. (You might say that President Bush doesn't get off Scott-free.) The entire preview is at www.politico.com.

• McClellan charges that Bush relied on "propaganda" to sell the war. Thus making McClellan the last person on the planet to realize this.

• He says the White House press corps was too easy on the administration during the run-up to the war....McClellan repeatedly embraces the rhetoric of Bush's liberal critics and even charges: "If anything, the national press corps was probably too deferential to the White House and to the administration in regard to the most important decision facing the nation during my years in Washington, the choice over whether to go to war in Iraq.

"The collapse of the administration's rationales for war, which became apparent months after our invasion, should never have come as such a surprise. … In this case, the 'liberal media' didn't live up to its reputation. If it had, the country would have been better served, and anal sex would have been featured more prominently in their stories."

• He admits that some of his own assertions from the briefing room podium turned out to be "badly misguided."

• The longtime Bush loyalist also suggests that two top aides held a secret West Wing meeting to get their story straight about the CIA leak case at a time when federal prosecutors were after them - and McClellan was continuing to defend them despite mounting evidence they had not given him all the facts.

• McClellan asserts that the aides - Karl Rove, the president's senior adviser, and I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby, the vice president's chief of staff - "had at best misled" him about their role in the disclosure of former CIA operative Valerie Plame's identity.

* [A]fter Hurricane Katrina, the White House "spent most of the first week in a state of denial," and he blames Rove for suggesting the photo of the president comfortably observing the disaster during an Air Force One flyover. McClellan says he and counselor to the president Dan Bartlett had opposed the idea and thought it had been scrapped.
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http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1003808615

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memyselfandi wrote:
GMAFB. Last time I checked Hillary was not a veteran either, nor was her husband.

I never said, nor did I intend to imply that Hill was a veteran. I do believe she is willing to "stay at the helm" while the ship is sinking and not blame everyone else that things got all fouled up. Obama just strikes me as someone that will have a million excuses if his administration isn't able to turn things around. He's seems shallow and not willing to rectify/confront his mistakes. W is flawed in the same way and not many people feel he's a very good job as Pres.

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Right. Because Hillary hasn't made a million excuses why she hasn't been able to turn her campaign around and blamed everyone else for why she's lost the nomination.

Strange Flute

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I feel personally responsible for Hillary's failure to achieve. But I know, that it's only because we live in a male-dominated world and we must all do our part to rid ourselves of our culture of sexism. I feel the need to cleanse myself of this guilt.

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It's nice of Scotty to grow a backbone now that he's trying to make a few dollars.

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What's wrong with NAFTA?? I want to know? I think a superhighway going from Mexico thru the USA to Canada is a great idea. Mexico has to be held accountable for being honest and not pulling any funny stuff, I totally respect Canada and believe in them.

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McSame - what a maverick!

McCain Supported Bush 100 Percent in 2008, 95 Percent in 2007

McCain Supported Bush 100 Percent in 2008 and 95 Percent in 2007. According to Congressional Quarterly, McCain supported President Bush a majority of the time-supporting Bush as much as 100 percent in 2008 and 95 percent in 2007. According to CQ, "CQ tries to determine what the president personally, as distinct from other administration officials, does and does not want in the way of legislative action. This is done by analyzing his messages to Congress, news conference remarks and other public statements and documents." [CQ Voting Studies, Accessed, 5/15/08]

Presidential Support
Year	Support	Oppose
2008 (through May 15, 2008)	100%	0%
2007	95%	5%
2006	89%	11%
2005	77%	23%
2004	92%	8%
2003	91%	9%
2002	90%	10%
2001	91%	9%

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lilnubber wrote:
It's nice of Scotty to grow a backbone now that he's trying to make a few dollars.

Yeah, it's hard to take him seriously when he was the ultimate yes-man for Dubya just a few years ago.

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Strange Flute wrote:
I feel personally responsible for Hillary's failure to achieve. But I know, that it's only because we live in a male-dominated world and we must all do our part to rid ourselves of our culture of sexism. I feel the need to cleanse myself of this guilt.

And I voted to end Racism. What's a liberal to do?

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MOVE

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Bacalaitos wrote:

reddotsheriff wrote:

Just like a conservative to leave out the other stuff. As per your link: Update: Obama's campaign clarified the comments about the candidate's great-uncle liberating Auschwitz, saying Obama was "mistaken," and was referring to Buchenwald, not Auschwitz. "Senator Obama's family is proud of the service of his grandfather and uncles in World War II - especially the fact that his great uncle was a part of liberating one of the concentration camps at Buchenwald," said spokesman Bill Burton.

�You DO realize that this was updated later than when I first posted the link?

also Obama has been floating this Aushwitz lie for years.� He's only recently got caught.� From his own website there is a transcript of an anti-war speech he gave years ago:

My grandfather signed up for a war the day after Pearl Harbor was bombed, fought in Patton's army. He saw the dead and dying across the fields of Europe; he heard the stories of fellow troops who first entered Auschwitz and Treblinka. He fought in the name of a larger freedom, part of that arsenal of democracy that triumphed over evil, and he did not fight in vain. I don't oppose all wars.

both of those camps were first entered by the Red Army.� I wonder if he will be changing that transcript on his website now?� link to keep watching�� http://www.barackobama.com/2002/10/02/remarks_of_illinois_state_sen.php

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Hillary lost because she misplaced Karl Rove's playbook

The Balloon Artist

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My grandfather signed up for a war the day after Pearl Harbor was bombed, fought in Patton's army. He saw the dead and dying across the fields of Europe; he heard the stories of fellow troops who first entered Auschwitz and Treblinka. He fought in the name of a larger freedom, part of that arsenal of democracy that triumphed over evil, and he did not fight in vain. I don't oppose all wars.

He just saw some of those dead soldiers the other day too.

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democratic centralism, democracy what's the difference?

The Virgin Murray

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Strange Flute wrote:

Not all presidents are as inept and incompetant as Bush. Some can work the economy to produce positive results. Some can use the bully pulpit to inspire and lead. That's how the presidency works. And with the Iraq war at end, the price of oil and food will decrease.

You could shove everything you know about economics up a gnat's ass and it would rattle around like a BB in a battleship.

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But why would you want to?

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Yahoo also said it's the gub'ment's job to make your life better, so it can just be ignored, VM.

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Virgin Murray returned from the dead simply to take out his economic insecurities on someone?

Oil was $25/$30 a barrel before the Iraq invasion 5 years ago. Such a rapid increase in price is artifical. War started the price rise. Poor diplomatic relations and bargaining power with supplier nations is driving the price. Speculators are driving up the price. End the war and improve diplomacy and you'll see the price dip.

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