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Posts: 5485 (04/29/08 4:49 PM) Registered User |
Yar. That indeed rings a bell. Poor recruits that never watched the show before they jumped on a plane hoping for fame & riches.
And poor us for having to watch their boring asses play like they've been lobotomized. |
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Posts: 5495 (05/04/08 1:34 AM) Registered User |
Survivor is more about strategizing your way to the end than being a challenge hog and this list favors male contestants at the higher end of the spectrum
because they can perform well in such challenges. Winning individual immunity makes you immune from earning negative points by receiving votes at tribal
council, so in theory it's technically more than a two point bonus. Most importantly, we here at Sucks like to see
A) the most entertaining characters possible and B) the game played to its best extent strategically. Giving extra
credit to these immunity winners only helps it become a rallying cry for casual fans that still can't get over the losses of Ozzy, Terry and
Colby.
Here's the new top of the list, minus the winner bonus and cutting down individual immunities from 2 points to 1. This also implements my HII scoring as seen in a post further down. Plus, I took away the .5 "reverse-pagonging" bonus that the Aitu 4 received. 1. Tom Westman - 109 2. Rob Mariano (ASS) - 101.3 3. Yul Kwon - 99.8 4. Earl Cole - 99 5. Brian Heidik - 97.5 6. Danni Boatwright - 97.2 7. Parvati Shallow (Micro.) - 96.5 8. Ethan Zohn - 96 9. Chris Daugherty - 96 10. Ozzy Lusth - 93.2 11. Jenna Morasca - 92.5 12. Todd Herzog - 91.5 13. Tina Wesson - 91 14. Sandra Diaz-Twine - 90.2 15. Richard Hatch - 89 16. Amber Brkich (ASS) - 88.2 17. Twila Tanner - 86.8 18. Neleh Dennis - 86 19. Aras Baskauskas - 85 20. Paschal English - 85 21. Katie Gallagher - 84.7 22. Vecepia Towery - 84 23. Kelly Wigglesworth - 83.5 24. Kathy Vavrick O'Brien - 83 25. Jenna Lewis (ASS) - 82.9 26. Clay Jordon - 82 27. Amanda Kimmel - 82 28. Kim Johnson - 81.5 29. Scout Cloud Lee - 80.4 30. Danielle DiLorenzo - 80 31. Colby Donaldson - 79.5 32. Terry Deitz - 79.5 33. Stephenie LaGrossa (Guat.) - 79.3 34. Matthew Von Ertfelda - 79 35. Rafe Judkins - 78.9 36. Courtney Yates - 78.5 37. Kenwood "Boo" Bernis - 78.3 38. Rob Cesternino - 78 39. Ian Rosenberger - 77.9 (I'm assuming the original list counted his immunity from the first episode) Makes much more sense to me this way. Vecepia is the worst winner because she was on a pathetic tribe that continually had their asses handed to them caused in part by such a poor, lazy camp atmosphere of which she was apart of along with the idiotic decisions to vote out two strong male contestants nearly right away. Also, she lost the direction of the votes when Kathy sided against her and Sean, plus she had an incredibly easy jury to win with (one vote in the bag, plus the chance to capture the bitter Rotu 4). This new change is effective because it moves the winners lower on the list and it also puts someone like Wigglesworth who actually left their alliance behind an inarguably much better player like Neleh. Notice how much lower the strategically inept Terry ranks? Or how much higher Jenna Lewis' All Star game moves - one that she was one immunity away from easily winning? Or how about Colby now becoming one of the lowest second placers of all time (and well deserved for his game ending blunder)? List looks better if you ask me.
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Posts: 3 (05/12/08 7:40 PM) |
update?
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Posts: 4828 (05/12/08 11:20 PM) Registered User |
I don't actually have time to update this right now, but if my math is correct, Parvati is going to be ranked #10, with a score of 101.5. (That's the
same score as Jenna Morasca, so Parvati is ranked lower because she had more votes against her.)
Here's the whole Top 18: 1. Tom Westman - 118 2. Brian Heidik - 105.5 3. Yul Kwon - 104.8 4. Rob Mariano (ASS) - 104.3 5. Danni Boatwright - 103.7 6. Earl Cole - 103.5 7. Chris Daugherty - 103.5 8. Ethan Zohn - 102 9. Jenna Morasca - 101.5 10. Parvati Shallow - 101.5 11. Ozzy Lusth - 98.7 12. Todd Herzog - 96.5 13. Tina Wesson - 96 14. Richard Hatch - 95 15. Sandra Diaz-Twine - 94.7 16. Amber Brkich (ASS) - 93.7 17. Vecepia Towery - 91 18. Aras Baskauskas - 91 |
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Posts: 5554 (05/13/08 4:23 AM) Registered User |
She's ranked as the second-highest female winner in my redux of the list (seen above)....much better testament to the game she played and she narrowly loses the title of greatest female winner to Danni. Still, sixth out of sixteen is pretty good.
Hmm. You currently have this: Finding the Hidden Immunity Idol (+2.5): Gary H., Terry, Yul, Yau-Man, Earl, Mookie (+1.1), Alex (+.7), Edgardo (+.7), James, Todd (+1.5), Amanda (+1), Ozzy (Micro) I'd make it: Finding the Hidden Immunity Idol (+1): Gary H., Terry (subtract 1.5 from current score), Yul, Yau-Man, Earl, Mookie (-.1 from current score), Alex (+.7 remains), Edgardo (+.7 remains), James (subtract 1.5 from current score), Todd (-.5 from current score), Amanda, Ozzy (Micro) (subtract 1.5 from current score), Jason (Micro), Amanda (Micro) Successfully Utilizing The Hidden Immunity Idol To Further Your Game (+1): Gary H. (subtract .5 from his current score), Terry (subtract .5 from his current score - yes, weird but he used it to save his ass at F4), Yul (subtract .5 from his current score), Yau-Man (subtract .5 from his current score), Earl (freebie - I know, subtract .5 from his current score), Amanda (Micro)
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Posts: 4846 (05/16/08 11:57 PM) Registered User |
I'm still not ready to update the list, but two things I wanted to mention:
First, since Parvati apparently DID find the HII, her score is going to be a little bit higher than what I have above. Also, due to the large number of HIIs this season, and the large variety of ways they've been used and not used since they were first introduced, I'm now going to change the way I score them. I'm now going to score them like this: Finding HII = + 1.5 Successfully using HII to get further in the game = + 1 Being voted out after failing to play HII or giving it to someone else = - 1.5 Giving HII to someone else (without being voted out) = - .5 Not playing HII (without being voted out) = - .5 I'm also removing the generic penalty for "giving up immunity" and replacing it with these penalties for giving up the immunity necklace: Giving up the immunity necklace, when you have no other form of immunity: - 1.5 Being voted out after giving up the immunity necklace: - 1.5 (in addition to above) In other news, I'm reducing the winner bonus for seasons with 18 people from 4.5 points to 4.4 points (it makes the base scores slightly more even.) Anyway, I should have everyone from this season added by the end of this weekend, hopefully. |
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Posts: 464 (05/17/08 12:11 AM) Registered User |
AnomyBC wrote: No. That's stupid, why should you penalise someone because they've worked themself into a safe position in the tribe and don't have to use the HII. |
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Posts: 4848 (05/17/08 2:08 AM) Registered User |
But even if you are safe, you should generally still use it at Final 5. Parvati I think may have been right to not use it in her case, but that's obviously
a rare exception. Generally it would be stupid to not use it, and that's why there's a penalty.
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Posts: 5562 (05/17/08 3:39 AM) Registered User |
Parvati made a stronger case for herself by not using it. "Look at me! Nobody can vote me out because I have them all wrapped around my finger!"...of
course, those sad sack alpha-male fans all wanted to act like Amanda using the idol was some brilliant move, so if the jurors were anything like them perhaps
Parvati should have used it? Hmm...
Is there a bonus for 100% voting score or something like that? Should count until right before the Final Three where in a lot of instances it makes sense to throw the competition. |
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Posts: 4854 (05/17/08 10:57 PM) Registered User |
Yes, there is indeed a bonus for casting 100% elimination votes. Parvati was the only person who did that this season.
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Posts: 4855 (05/17/08 11:01 PM) Registered User |
Hey, anyone know for sure if Earl used his HII at Final 5 in Fiji? I'm redoing the HII scores based on what I said above and I'm not sure whether to
count him as having played it or not.
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Posts: 2547 (05/17/08 11:15 PM) Registered User |
Yes, I do remember him playing it as he had no reason not to. Didn't make a difference of course, he got 0 votes that TC.
Yes, there is indeed a bonus for casting 100% elimination votes. Parvati was the only person who did that this season. Which I continue to completely disagree with. :P Certainly for some, like Parvati, it makes sense. Parvati was always in power, always dictated how the boots were going to go, even when she & Amanda were outnumbered. Yet it unfairly punishes people like Hatch for a single throwaway vote in his first TC, and likewise pointlessly gives someone like Stephenie bonus points, despite the fact that a great number of those votes that contributed to her 100% voting percentage were idiotic.
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Posts: 4856 (05/18/08 1:48 AM) Registered User |
Well it's only a 1 point bonus, so it's not like it's anything crazy.
By the way, Parvati's score is going to be 102.5 now, so she's going to be ranked #8, ahead of Ethan and Jenna. The good news for Jenna is that she's now sandwiched between Ethan and Ozzy again : ) Also, I found some minor errors in the scores for Amanda (China), Courtney Y., Yul, Ozzy (Cook Islands) and Dreamz, so those are now corrected in my new version of the rankings (which I haven't posted yet.)
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Posts: 4866 (05/19/08 12:44 AM) Registered User |
OK, I added all the remaining people from this season. I also updated the winner rankings. Thoughts? Comments? Questions?
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Posts: 753 (05/19/08 1:22 AM) |
Cirie is way too low, Amanda is way too high. Parv is pretty much in the right spot as in ranking, but I would change up the rest of the order alot. I
don't think so much of the rankings should rely on immunity challenges. In fact, if you win without winning them (meaning you never had to) you played a
better game. I know that is not gonna change, but Tom should not be at the top.
ETA- Also, same thing with HII. I think it's unfair to give people bonus points where they weren't even available in the majority of the seasons (or if they HAD to rely on em to get far). |
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Posts: 8 (05/19/08 1:25 AM) |
Should Parvati get a +1 Provider Bonus? She was shown providing coconuts on the finale.
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Posts: 5569 (05/19/08 9:45 PM) Registered User |
I don't think so much of the rankings should rely on immunity challenges. In fact, if you win without winning them (meaning you never had to) you played a better game.What I've been trying to say for ages. Put immunity challenges down to one-apiece and it won't vastly change the ranking but people like Colby, Amanda, etc. that are way too inflated will fall. |
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Posts: 4869 (05/19/08 10:37 PM) Registered User |
I don't think I'm gonna give Parvati the provider bonus for that, but I haven't entirely ruled it out. They showed Erik and Natalie getting
coconuts too, so I'd have to give it to them too if I gave it to Parvati. If any of them, I'd probably give it to Erik (who interestingly was picked
by James as doing the most for the tribe, when everyone else picked James.) I'm also considering giving a provider bonus to Cirie, based on her crab hunt
with Ami. So far I've given the bonus to Ami, but not Cirie.
Between Erik, Parv, Nat and Cirie, who do you guys think deserves a provider bonus the most? (So far I've given the provider bonus to Ozzy, James, Amanda, Jason, Tracy, Ami and Yau-Man.) As far as the scoring for challenges, the problem with reducing the points for winning an individual immunity challenge to 1 point is that for it to make any sense I'd have to reduce the points for tribal immunity challenges and reward challenges too. So it would be like 1 point for individual immunity, .5 for tribal immunity, and like .2 or .3 for reward challenges. And then I'd have to reduce the points for the HII too, because it wouldn't make sense for it to worth a lot more than the immunity necklace. So it would all get very complicated very quickly. If I was really concerned that the challenges were counting for too much I'd probably just raise the base scores for each rank, which wouldn't necessarily be any easier, but it would at least prevent me from having to use tiny fractions of numbers. But the bottom line is that I think it's pretty much fine the way it is, so it wouldn't be worth the effort to try to change it at this point. |
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Posts: 12 (05/19/08 11:02 PM) |
Good point since you could give every favourite a provider bonus for the first nine days.
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Posts: 5570 (05/19/08 11:55 PM) Registered User |
I'm down with individual immunities and tribal immunities both being worth one point. They both spare you from tribal council...and the stats already
reflect that people like Scout or Lydia were hindrances to their tribe in challenges.
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