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Posts: 205 (05/15/08 9:45 PM) |
" The retard bit with Kevin was brilliant since they didn't even have to alter his character in the slightest way."
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Posts: 503 (05/15/08 10:02 PM) Registered user |
Great Episode! It gave us a little pay back but also held a little in. Andy stealing the big Tuna's moment was just perfect. Kevin is my favorite
character and loved the exposure but Creed had the scene of the night. He doesn't know what he does? Last week he said he finished his work months
ago??!!!? Basically everything rocked!
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Posts: 22069 (05/15/08 10:05 PM) Gadabout |
Kevin's plot was excellent. Not a single line was contrived.
Two complaints 1) Jim still would have proposed to Pam. Earlier he realized that all their best moments were part of office life, and he should have known that he wouldn't get a perfect moment in the office atmosphere. He ought to have just shrugged it off and proposed anyway. 2) They glossed over Ryan's arrest which should have been HUGE, particularly as he was busted for fraud and not for drugs. And why the hell would they find out from a random employee viewing a random YouTube link, as opposed to someone like Wallace calling and trying to do preemptive damage control? |
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Posts: 8902 (05/15/08 10:11 PM) Registered User |
Good finale overall. Andy stealing Jim's thunder was awesome. Great storyline with Kevin. Not too worried about the Jim/Pam engagement that was to be.
Pam's pro-Toby was basically just to show that Toby actually did have a shot with Pam after all.
I have a feeling this isn't the end of Michael and the new girl. They're gonna make us stew a bit with the Jan stuff, but eventually Michael will end up with the HR woman later in the season. This is the perfect way to implement the requisite sexual tension for season 5. Also, Dwight and Angela getting caught in an affair... Wow. |
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Posts: 3600 (05/15/08 10:51 PM) Registered user |
The only reason I'm pissed off is because they inserted Jan into the finale just for the sake of giving the actress some screen time. I love Jan and all,
but I was seriously pissed off when Michael and HR Chick hit it off sooooo well, only to have Jan miraculously show up, pregnant, at the grocery store Kevin
just happened to run to, Kevin called Michael, he left a party JUST to go there, runs into her, finds out she got artificially knocked up, and STILL, after all
that, wants to take care of the baby. Just felt wrong.
Oh, and they DEFINITELY should've had Ryan's meltdown be a lot bigger part of the finale. Would've been hilarious. Other than that, I thought the finale was perfect (save those two complaints), and by FAR the best episode of the season. |
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Posts: 206 (05/15/08 11:00 PM) |
1) Jim still would have proposed to Pam. anti is so such a pb&j shipper. is that totally disgusting or what? (yes.) |
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Posts: 2581 (05/15/08 11:10 PM) Registered User |
Is that clip of Ryan getting arrested really on YouTube?
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Posts: 13339 (05/15/08 11:35 PM) Registered user |
I liked it but it didn't blow me away. I kept waiting for some twist to the HR woman, like she was playing Michael.
Kevin's story was funny BUT it had been done before: "Seinfeld" did the same basic thinking when Kramer was mistaken for a mentally challenged man after getting a root canal where the drugs slurred his speech. I don't blame Jim for holding off at all. You want your proposal to be special and that would have totally tainted it, regardless if it's part of wacky Dunder-Miflin life. Not a deal breaker though since they're still together and he cna propose later. Angela's acceptance was GOLD. Loved that it was Phyllis of all people who caught her and Dwight together. Meredith breaking into the car 
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Posts: 1339 (05/15/08 11:48 PM) I need a life |
Great episode tonight, a very good season finale. Definitely one of the better episodes of this entire season, quite possibly the best.
Will Andy need to go back to anger management when he finds out about the Dwight/Angela affair? |
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Posts: 224 (05/16/08 12:02 AM) |
CoconutPhone wrote: The only dfference between Kevin and Kramer is that Kevin was straight the whole time. It was plain 'ole Kevin and that is why it was so hilarious. And I agree about the proposal. The only reason I feel a little upset is that it is going to cause unnecessary tension between the two. WE know Jim was going to propose, but Pam doesn't. Jim doesn't exactly come off looking so good after all those fake proposals and then nothing tonight. It really wouldn't be surprising if Pam began to suddenly have doubts because Roy kind of strung her along. She doesn't want to get played and wants to start a family with Jim pretty soon. I hope they make it through the summer okay. Regardless, this was one of my favorite scenes from the whole episode. Jenna knocked it out of the park with those few seconds.
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Posts: 1455 (05/16/08 12:22 AM) |
I kept thinking that the new HR woman was going to turn out to be the catalog office chair model.
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Posts: 2394 (05/16/08 12:58 AM) Registered User |
Y'know what I'm just going to let it all out...... that was the perfect. I had no idea that this show could still pull out an episode that would
surprise me. I love Lost, Battlestar Gallactica, and Big Love but when those shows are great you kind of know the tone its almost like an easy form of
greatness. The Office is not a show like that, the greatness of the Office is that it can hit so many different tones.
The Kevin bit was all sorts of brilliance, but there was a lot of other great stuff that you might have missed. Stanley getting drunk and dancing and enjoying himself in the background. Andy's parents being just like Angela and Andy Kevin going to the store for BBQ sauce and coming out with a whole cart of food. |
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Posts: 348 (05/16/08 1:19 AM) Registered User |
CoconutPhone wrote: Agreeance on the Seinfeld pre-empt. Seinfeld did it much better though, because there were circumstances besides Kramer's weirdness that caused Mel
Torme to think he was mentally challenged. It seemed really really fake to me with Kevin. He's slow talking and I hate his character, but no one would
really think he's a retard, but that's how the show played it up.
I also agree about Jim holding off. I thought it was funny how Andy cut him off at the pass unintentionally. Overall though, I thought this was a really weak episode. The biggest problem with The Office in the past couple of seasons has been the loss of subtle humor and the relatively realistic backstory. No competent HR person is going to honestly believe one of the accountants is retarded. No office party is going to feature a working ferris wheel, much less a party put together the day of. No one is going to break into a new coworker's car and put a live racoon in it. It was ridiculous, pretty much across the board tonight.And Michael's over the top antics keep getting worse. I think he was more over the top tonight than in the Phylis' Wedding Episode (a feat I wouldn't have thought possible). Where he used to be awkward around women to good effect (like the purse girl in S1), now he asks like a mental patient stalker. I didn't like the HR girl role at all, either. Once again, it's a matter of subtlety. Evidently they want to create some tension between Jan (who is not having Michael's baby, which was pretty funny) and a sane, likeable female character who seems perfect for Michael. But why not introduce her character with a touch of patience, rather than establishing right away that she's just perfect for Michael, the way that male/female best friends are just perfect for each other (though they don't realize it!) in every romantic comedy since 1980. The whoe thing just really seemed rushed for no reason. Why not establish her as a character that Michael realizes he has some interest in right away, but doesn't necessarily start stalking. Ryan's predictable downfall also seemed sort of rushed, like they realized the script was too long so they decided to cut out parts to make it fit in an hour. But, then again, the whole episode seemed to rushed, like they were desperately trying to tie up loose ends and give every character a bit. It almost reminded me of some terrible sit-com reunion show filmed 20 years after the show went off air, and they try to cram in all the "where they are now" stories in too short a time period. I still haven't totally given up on this show. I like some aspects of it, and I like some of the characters. The Office UK is my all-time favorite show, so I'll probably keep watching long after I should just quit. But it's really quite sad that The Office US has become such a bloated mess. |
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Posts: 6775 (05/16/08 1:29 AM) Registered User |
I liked parts, I hated other parts. If this truly is the last of toby, the show will be slightly worse because of it. But Amy Ryan did a good job and her
character has some great potential (until they make her some one-joke wacko who behaves unrealistically.) It's about time they found an appropriate use for
Kevin.
"Is that clip of Ryan getting arrested really on YouTube?" As of about 5 minutes ago, unfortunately not "No office party is going to feature a working ferris wheel, much less a party put together the day of."
"But why not introduce her character with a touch of patience, rather than establishing right away that she's just perfect for Michael, the way
that male/female best friends are just perfect for each other (though they don't realize it!) in every romantic comedy since 1980. The whoe thing just
really seemed rushed for no reason. Why not establish her as a character that Michael realizes he has some interest in right away, but doesn't necessarily
start stalking.
This is true, but I wrote it off to perhaps the lingering effects of the writer strike, and the fact that in general my standards have lowered so much for
this show that I just expect them to do everything in a super accelerated, over exaggerated way (instead of pacing it out and letting stories develop more.)
Neither is a good excuse, but I suppose as a viewer they've worn me down.
"The Office UK is my all-time favorite show, so I'll probably keep watching long after I should just quit. But it's really quite sad that
The Office US has become such a bloated mess."
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Posts: 22071 (05/16/08 1:53 AM) Gadabout |
anti is so such a pb&j shipper And proud of it. Just like Niles and Daphne but with a more realistic personal touch. I've been in Jim's shoes all too often and Pam is just the sweetest, prettiest angel on tv, and I'd totally fall for her. So I'm glad Jim got her and I cringe any time there's even a hint of tremors in the relationship. Seinfeld did it much better though, because there were circumstances besides Kramer's weirdness that caused Mel Torme to think he was mentally challenged. It seemed really really fake to me with Kevin. He's slow talking and I hate his character, but no one would really think he's a retard, but that's how the show played it up. I know you just make up these wild rantings to get a rise out of people, but come on. Kramer's circumstances were among the more contrived of the plots of a sitcom whose only flaw was relying too much on contrivances. Kramer needed various extenuating factors to become retarded. Then he became normal, and then became retarded again at just the right moment using an entirely different set of extenuating factors. Clever, but unrealistic. No external stimuli needed to be added to Kevin to make him seem slow. The story would have worked just as well if they had removed Dwight's comments entirely. The reason is simple: Kevin is slow. He's not an idiot, but he thinks like a child. If Dwight had told Holly and then showed her random clips of Kevin from previous episodes, she would have come to the same conclusion. It was seamless, completely natural, and completely realistic. Which makes it all the more appealing, because I agree that in general The Office gets more and more unrealistic (though I don't let it bother me) even in comparison to Seinfeld. |
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Posts: 207 (05/16/08 2:11 AM) |
And proud of it. no. don't get us wrong. you always just seem so above it all, anti. its nice to know you can be simple too. we like that... |
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Posts: 422 (05/16/08 2:28 AM) Registered User |
Kelly continues to be a useless waste of time.
She is not funny. She is not interesting. She is just useless. I would love to see them re-locater her somewhere around 12,000 miles away - somewhere where she has no interactions with anyone else. She is just sad and pathetic. The only value I could see her having to the show is to have a big death scene - and the sooner, the better. |
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Posts: 349 (05/16/08 2:34 AM) Registered User |
Antithesys wrote: i agree that the seineld episode was really contrived (they all were). I agree that Kevin has been established as a little slow (or just weird). But this is the first time he's ever been freaking retarded. It wasn't like she initially thought he was 'special,' but then realized he's not. She had several interactions with him, and still thought he was retarded. You have to admit that that just doesn't make sense. Contrived is one thing, illogical (given the established parameters of the office 'universe) is something else. It was lazy writing, IMO. |
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Posts: 953 (05/16/08 3:04 AM) |
THIS was The Office I've been waiting for all season.
Perfection. A+ |
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Posts: 253 (05/16/08 3:55 AM) |
I loved Dwight & Angela at the end. Loved Kevin's storyline. Kind of annoyed with how the Pam/Jim thing ended, but no big deal. There was no closure
with Ryan, but we'll probably hear more about that next season. Does anyone else think it really IS Michael's baby? I sort of do.
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