S-16 Edgic (editing and logic)

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Oowatanite		#5101	[-]
Posts: 5234 (05/14/08 10:45 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	astroline wrote: Yeah, it's useless to even question Eliza, she obviously knows what she's talking about... especially from someone that usually just annoys people while rooting for shitty Alexis and not even posting ratings and contributing actively to discussions unless it's to post about Alexis winning (which she didn't, so I hope you really tone it down for next season). You are a fuckin' idiot. Why don't you go back to giving completely ridiculous ratings like CP2 for Nat just because she was the first to negotiate with Jason during that "arm in the air" IC. And please get your head out of your ass and find even ONE POST by me in this thread that said Alexis was winning. Moron. Oh, please and
colleenlover		#5102	[-]
Posts: 8143 (05/14/08 10:51 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	EOrlins wrote: I can't believe I never got a SINGLE P! I should have, especially on my boot episode or my sick episode where JAMES AND OZZY were the evil ones! Come on! If that doesn't make me P, I don't know what does! :) No, I adore you guys, I don't take it personally at all. I felt like all you "edgicians" (OTH I know you like that reference) had my back. Eliza, kidding -I couldn't get enough Ps out of my bag of Ps. (I kept asking myself, okay am I being objective here?) I don't think I did your boot episode because I was too busy crying and then went into therapy about coping about my favorites never winning one of these damm shows. You had a fantastic edit throughout the whole season- probably because you are articulate and hell give good confessional. Also you have a knack for finding yourself between a rock and a "hard stone" (Heidi TM) Sucks in reality I bet, but it makes gooooood tv.
EOrlins		#5103	[-]
Posts: 801 (05/14/08 11:04 PM) Because it's just a stick!!! Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	CL - I know YOU gave me Ps, I meant on the official chart, though, I was never voted to have had a positive episode! It seems unfathomable! :)
colleenlover		#5104	[-]
Posts: 8145 (05/14/08 11:24 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	What? That's ridiculous!!! Fine, whatever. Then I vote we just simply do the whole season over again. And by that I mean, we get all twenty players back and put them on that island and do it over. Okay, I'm done -and Eliza never ride the L train on the weekends -it sucks! (that's my Williamsburg shout-out)
SFC		#5105	[-]
Posts: 323 (05/14/08 11:35 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Oowatanite wrote: .And please get your head out of your ass and find even ONE POST by me in this thread that said Alexis was winning. Moron. Woah, Deja Vu.
beatles20147		#5106	[-]
Posts: 11564 (05/14/08 11:36 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	If it's any consolation, the only reason "It's a fucking stick!" didn't earn an OTTP is because I almost choked to death from laughing so hard at it. (Countdown until some punk says that it would have earned an OTTPP if that happened) Seriously, best quote since "Whoa, cool flying fish" (ten bonus points to Eliza if she knows who said it).
OnlyTheHunter		#5107	[-]
Posts: 1543 (05/15/08 12:21 AM) Edgician Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Eliza said I felt like all you "edgicians" (OTH I know you like that reference) had my back. A callout from Eliza...woohoo! :-) And thanks for the kind words you gave me a while ago. It was very nice. There was clearly a set up that matched you and Parvati, but when you were booted it wasn't really there. Paid off at the end, per usual. If I get to ask any questions to you in your busy schedule, they'd be - I understand your explanation for why you were targeted at the merge. Why was Jason? Did Alexis/Natalie/Erik not see the need to keep the "fans" alliance going, or was it just unworkable? I'm surprised that we never got much on that. Was he simply hated? Natalie and Alexis could've used him after the Ozzy boot, why not do it? He seemed to be resigned to going at the merge along with you, but he had angels he should have tried, and the others should have seen the smarts in working with him. - You are a P person. But you aren't manipulated, you're you. We work on finding manipulation, like having to appreciate Parvati, for instance. :-) Was there anything presented as close to being further from the truth between reality and the edit? What was something that we were sold that was completely false. And of course, how is my favorite Survivor, Chris? Do you still keep in touch with your cast? Thanks. Michael
chaperone		#5108	[-]
Posts: 2499 (05/15/08 1:13 AM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Ah, Eliza...glad to see you here. And leave it to the stats guy to say that official P's don't really matter...and point out that (what matters is that) you were 5th most P overall...But thanks for coming in here Eliza, it's an honor for all us wannabes and analyzers to have your ear. I for one really enjoy it. Season Tone Averages (From most positive to least) (NN=-2, N=-1, neutral=0, P=1, PP=2) 0.371 Tracy Hughes-Wolf 0.340 Erik Reichenbach 0.329 Yau-Man Chan 0.324 Kathleen Sleckman 0.209 Eliza Orlins 0.096 Ami Cusack 0.054 Mary Sartain 0.041 Jonathan Penner 0.023 Alexis Jones 0.000 Johnny Fairplay -0.004 James Clement -0.006 Amanda Kimmel -0.069 Ozzy Lusth -0.070 Jason Siska -0.088 Cirie Fields -0.114 Parvati Shallow -0.121 Natalie Bolton -0.289 Joel Anderson -0.494 Mikey Bortone -0.525 Chet Welch
craig		#5109	[-]
Posts: 13138 (05/15/08 1:37 AM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I'd take Eliza's word on Jason and Alexis, they were the two fans Eliza was closest with. That means 3 votes Cirie, 2 votes Amanda, and Natalie votes for Parv. Erik is trhe question - does he force a tie or become the 4th Cirie vote? We should ask him, he's posting too. That would have been sad for Pavati, the editors would have given her more of a villian edit and Ozzy would get the last laugh. People would think Amanda played better because Parv was 3rd.
getting real		#5110	[-]
Posts: 1209 (05/15/08 3:56 AM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	That would have been sad for Pavati, the editors would have given her more of a villian edit and Ozzy would get the last laugh. People would think Amanda played better because Parv was 3rd. Sorry, Craig. I can see how well-tended Parvati's edit was but, in reality, despite her edit, she hardly changed at all from her season: she was a one-trick pony. In both seasons, her strategy revolved around using flirting to get aligned with some strong guys, surround herself with 'cool' people (remember the Raro people self-referencing their coolness), drop the guys when the time came, and ride a women's alliance to victory. Yul put a spanner in the works in the Cooks but things worked out here. Parvati would have likely been the first out (if Fairplay hadn't quit) and the third out (if Cirie hadn't jumped). She benefited from Jonathan's and Kathy's departures and from the twist which allowed her to extend her women's alliance and ride it to victory. It's ironic that her version of the women's alliance worked while Ami, the archetypal women's alliance builder fell just short of being in a position to becoming involved. ********** Eliza, I'm not surprised the producers like you. They should be well and truly in your debt given how easily you're able to deliver entertainment gold. I'd be surprised if a 'Advocate Eliza' type of program wasn't already in the works! Not sure if you're able to answer this but do you know what Jason was trying to establish with his jury question to Amanda (Whether she'd tell Ozzy if she knew about the plot against him)? Was he trying to set Amanda up in Ozzy's eyes or was he genuinely trying to establish whether she could place strategy above her personal feelings?
cantthinkofaname		#5111	[-]
Posts: 1136 (05/15/08 4:22 AM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	0.209 Eliza Orlins I think this warrants P overall. Just because someone didn't get a P for any episode officially doesn't mean they can't be positive overall. The watchdogs just happened to vote mostly neutral/mixed in episodes where several others voted P.
Jedijake		#5112	[-]
Posts: 5181 (05/15/08 6:13 AM) MESS member Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Eliza-I have a straight up question and don't have the patience to sift through the other thread at Sucks lol. Had it been down to Parvati and Cirie in the finals, where would your vote have gone and why?
AllMenAreIslands		#5113	[-]
Posts: 23920 (05/15/08 8:27 AM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Jake, her answer was given in the Sucks forum thread: she would DEFO have voted for Cirie.
AllMenAreIslands		#5114	[-]
Posts: 23921 (05/15/08 8:30 AM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	EOrlins wrote: I can't believe I never got a SINGLE P! I should have, especially on my boot episode or my sick episode where JAMES AND OZZY were the evil ones! Come on! If that doesn't make me P, I don't know what does! :) No, I adore you guys, I don't take it personally at all. I felt like all you "edgicians" (OTH I know you like that reference) had my back. It comes down to the overall edit, Eliza. And people argue like mad over the whole episode and every single rating, as you know. So even though it was hilarious with the stick, there were negatives that balanced it out.
craig		#5115	[-]
Posts: 13140 (05/15/08 10:15 AM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Sounds like Erik would be a 4th vote for Cirie in a F3. He posted: Would you have voted for Cirie over Amanda if there had been an F3? Damn, good question. Possibly, yeah. I think Cirie could have swept it if it were final three. I still say Parvati changed and improved her game more than any returning Survivor in history. * She became a more active strategist, rather than letting others (Jenny, Adam, Jonathan) initiate the plans. * She only flirtd with one guy and put all her energy into girlpower. In S13 her downfall was voting off Jenny, which showed her ultimate plan wasn't a women's alliance. Last Edited By: craig 05/15/08 10:21 AM. Edited 1 times.
TheLurkerSpeaks		#5116	[-]
Posts: 1228 (05/15/08 10:16 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	EOrlins wrote: TheLurkerSpeaks wrote: Cirie couldn't have won in an F3 anyway - she'd have gotten Eliza's vote and possibly Jason's, but there's no other vote there to be had, meaning Amanda at least beats her and Parvati does too if she gets Jason's. This is incorrect. She had me, Jason, Alexis, Erik, and possibly Natalie as well. Cirie would have won 100%. Eliza, If you say Alexis would have definitely voted Cirie, I'll take your word for it, but even you are admitting any other vote is speculation. Natalie sure seems to have had some strange fascination with Parvati. I don't think there's any way James and Ozzy don't vote for Amanda. And Erik sure seems to have really wanted to vote for Amanda since he did despite his anger at her and her poor jury performance. From an Edgic perspective, we never got any real insight into how the others felt about Cirie, which is why I doubted all along that she'd face the jury. ETA: Craig quotes Erik above as saying he might have voted Cirie, but he's not that definite, and that's certainly easy to say now regardless.
Francois40		#5117	[-]
Posts: 2271 (05/15/08 12:12 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	First, I can vouch for colleenlover that she called the "vote for Parv" WAY back. Second: [Cirie] is the only one with a family and children who she supports. Would something like that REALLY sway a jury vote? That is really unfortunate, I think--votes should always be game-based and not "demographics-based" on something completely outside the game. Of course we know that Lill bumped Fairplay on her perception of how he'd spend the money vs. Sandra, but if they really want "Deserving" people to win, why don't they just go to a homeless shelter to cast the season? I adore Cirie, but if she had played the "I'm a mom" card, I would despise her--she's better than that.
AllMenAreIslands		#5118	[-]
Posts: 23927 (05/15/08 12:38 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Francois40 wrote: First, I can vouch for colleenlover that she called the "vote for Parv" WAY back. Second: [Cirie] is the only one with a family and children who she supports. Would something like that REALLY sway a jury vote? That is really unfortunate, I think--votes should always be game-based and not "demographics-based" on something completely outside the game. Of course we know that Lill bumped Fairplay on her perception of how he'd spend the money vs. Sandra, but if they really want "Deserving" people to win, why don't they just go to a homeless shelter to cast the season? I adore Cirie, but if she had played the "I'm a mom" card, I would despise her--she's better than that. I have to agree with you, Francois. At first I was, "Yeah, I guess it's true," but for Cirie to have made ANY issue about having kids would have been immaterial. Even with the edit as given, however, Cirie still came across as a terrific strategist who seemed to be the directing mind, thinking of all the eventualities and giving directions to each member of the alliance. The Ozzy blindside and the Erik coup are two where we saw Cirie heavily involved in the late going, and the fact that her say-so got Yau booted is another instance. Plus, she helped organize people to boot Joel (I think it was) when he was all "weak people, booted, now." So Cirie would not have had to resort to lowbrow tactics to win. I definitely would like to have her name in the office pool if she ever gets another shot at this game.
GretchenIsMyGod		#5119	[-]
Posts: 3101 (05/15/08 3:09 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	colleenlover is a he. ! I'd bet on Cirie on Survivor: The 3rd Time's the Charm. Or maybe if I'm feeling chance-y, Lillian. Fuck, what the hell am I going to do for the off-season? zesty, throw another game! Past votes my ass ... Last Edited By: GretchenIsMyGod 05/15/08 3:11 PM. Edited 1 times.
Oowatanite		#5120	[-]
Posts: 5236 (05/15/08 3:16 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	GretchenIsMyGod wrote: colleenlover is a he. ! Whaaaaa ?????

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