This season showed that women can play the game as aggressively as a man...and win. They don't have to ride coattails or hide behind a tree for 39 days.
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ProbstFan123 |
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This was also a victory for Survivor. The show needed a strong, aggressive female mastermind winner after 16 seasons. Tina and Vecepia don't count,
sorry. Too nice.
This season showed that women can play the game as aggressively as a man...and win. They don't have to ride coattails or hide behind a tree for 39 days. |
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Green Coffee |
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Kitty Pryde1 wrote: I appreciate the "villain" winners, myself. I don't really care about their personal hangups as much as I do their game play. Give me a scheming, backstabbing, cut throat, hardcore player over an UTR coat tail rider any day. Yeah Parvati isn't someone I would identify with in real life, but in this game, she ran the show. I respect that more than a winner who was nice, moral, and seems like someone I would be friends with in real life, yet they got the million because of a sour grapes jury. So really, the editors have to appeal to multiple demographics. Give us wholesome, upbeat, likeable winners like Earl and Sandra. Give us crafty and controversial winners like Parvati and Brian. As long as we never see another bland, empty, Danni-like win again, I think most of us would be happy with that, at least.Kudos to Edgic this season. You stuck to your guns and weren't swayed, even when the end of the season made most of us doubt. This season really affirms that Edgic can work, even when the winner isn't spoiled outright. You make some of us wonder sometimes (Amanda), but a lot of the time, you peg the winner very early and roll with it to the end, despite all objections. Thanks for giving me something interesting to read. |
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Us Kids Know |
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Kitty Pryde1 wrote: Sorry, first of all I think Parv and Jenna M are both likable, so I guess my opinion is invalidated, but why the hell should the editors "make" her likable? I'd rather see the true person as opposed to a fictional composite of random moments designed to twist things. |
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ProbstFan123 |
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I also think they made Cirie a bit less likeable than she was edited last time, but I don't know if that was because they wanted to make Parvati look
better by comparison, or just a function of the game Cirie played this time around.
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briand73 |
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I still think Parvati is one of the least negative of the villain winners. Some people seem to be predisposed to dislike Parvati being a young cute female
willing to use her feminine charms to get ahead. Aside from the flirty moves, she really wasn't all that negative. She was smart, she was committed, and
she was very strategic. I think she gets a bad rap because she is a woman making those moves.
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fat little fingers |
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They even replayed Parvati and Alexis' complete opening confessionals as a way of explaining the season. Oka-a-yy... so, from here on we should just watch
the first segment of the first episode and then go find a nice video game to wile away the time until the Finale. Lol.
Personally, I like Parvati. I think she was pretty straight up about what she needed to do to win. It was simple. If she was loyal to the couples' F-4, she would never have won. Oh, and pee water, pee water, pee water. Great Edgic season everybody! Next season I will try again to listen to my own advice. |
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SFC |
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ProbstFan123 wrote: I think it has to do with her being screwed over by the twist. Kinda like how they downplayed Michelle (S14) |
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astroline |
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ProbstFan123 wrote: I think they made Cirie less likeable this time so we wouldn't all be bummed when she barely missed out on the F2.
Once again, awesome job to all of us here that stuck with Parvati the whole time. And congratulations to Parvati herself. It was a fan's dream come true
to root for her throughout the season as both an Edgician and a fan of hers from the very beginning (and since Cooks)! Parvati still remains in my top 5 of
all-time.
And I agree, ProbstFan. A victory for Survivor as well. Nice of Parvati to play the same game as Todd & Brian and get the same reward for it!
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chapera rocks |
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Parvati played a great game, but aside from 3 episodes, she had a really shitty edit. Too bad, it would have been nice to see more of her.
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fat little fingers |
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ProbstFan: briand:That about sums up the whole situation for women in this game (and life in general). Play hard and they'll cut you off at the knees for being a bitch. Go UTR and you get dis'd as a coattail rider. Even after she makes it to the F-2 with the immunity necklace around her neck, Amanda gets "pageant queen" thrown in her face. As a man, I had no problems watching the women's game. This was a great end-game. |
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chad6 |
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This was indeed a great end-game with an aggressive FEMALE winner, so I overall liked this season. It will be interesting to see where it ends up on
people's favorite seasons list.
O, and is the "known pair" rule completely thrown out the window? |
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briand73 |
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fat little fingers wrote: I did think it was interesting that Amanda got the doe-eyed, zombie face comment while on the island. I know people around here mentioned that many times, but I guess she really is that way. Too bad, she did have some good strategy and she was the strongest female out of the final batch in the challenges. Her big downfall is that she isn't as strong and outgoing as some of the others. She did all the right stuff except for letting other people lead more...and owning her game. Same as last time, she has to be willing to own her game and hope that is enough. One answer she gave in the final TC showed promise (don't remember which one), but it wasn't enough. Maybe if she gets a third chance she'll do better. |
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ProbstFan123 |
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O, and is the "known pair" rule completely thrown out the window?It should be. This is two seasons in a row that guideline hasn't worked. |
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astroline |
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chad6 wrote: I just posted this in another thread, but Micronesia currently ranks #3 on my seasons list, right behind Palau & China. What an awesome season. Tracy and Parvati are both solidly in my top 5 castaways of all time, and combine that with some amazing blindsides (from Mary all the way to Erik), some of the best quotes ever ("It's just a fucking stick!", "What in the nickoledeon was that?", "I'll be flossing with his jugular...", "It's warm...like pee water.", etc.) and so many great moments and challenges made this season truly memorable and awesome to watch. And yeah, I think the "known pair" rule should be 100% eliminated by now. Last season we had Todd, Amanda & Courtney, and this season we had
the all-female F3 we knew about since Episode 3, and then the closest duo out of those 3 ended up in the F2 together, so it's apparent that guideline is
way past its prime.
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SFC |
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So do you think that if a know pair makes it to the Final 2/3 next season, it should be a rule that known pairs will likely make the Finals
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Relynn |
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briand73 wrote: I thought Amanda had a really good answer to Eric, when she basically said you were trying to vote me out and I'm suppose to sit there and take that? |
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Green Coffee |
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I've been thinking lately that, as far as the guidelines go, less is more. In that sense, I don't think we should start to assume that the known
pairs/threes at the end are DEFINITELY going to be there. I think its just one of those things where they show it sometimes, but don't show it others. I
think it's more determined by what the editors are given. If they can still make the story engaging down the line, it isn't a big deal if the final 3
is "out there." If the final 3 being a surprise is a big selling point for that particular season, they can't show it.
As far as reasons for the Final 2 instead of the Final 3 go, I think the producers may actually WANT a tied final vote. They opened up the door in the past few seasons with a final three and this season, they made it even more likely to happen with a final 2 and 8 jurors. Rather than it just being a coincidence or something they are fearing, they seem to be trying for it. To me, that suggests that they have some amazing tiebreaker procedure that they have thought up that would be great TV, but none of us have figured it out yet. I was thinking they would do a challenge with the jurors or make the jurors vote one of their own out before the actual final TC. I'd love to see all of them, dressed up nice for the camera, trying to start a fire or something. |
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Katy Carney |
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Good job guys. No spoilers this year so no one can say there's nothing to support edgic! |
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chaperone |
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I started this season knowing that Natalie had a weightloss spoiler. I was bummed the moment I read that, because I knew it would inhibit my edgicing. So I
made lemonade by starting the other thread and am quite please to read at what point people knew what they knew and when. From what I can tell...the following
points support the idea that edgic was not influenced by spoilers:
1. Nobody picked Natalie...ever...even though she was spoiled to go late into the game. 2. I and several picked Eliza right up to her boot. 3. Nat, Parv, Amanda, Alexis, and Cirie were equally spoiled in the first half of the season ("they do well, late game, blah blah blah") with no favoritism to one or another, and yet Parv and Cirie got the only serious support, with Alexis getting a little, but from primarily from someone who I sincerely believe 100% is not spoiled (OTH). Some influence seems to have existed: 1. Talk of F2 in edgic popped up around the same time that it popped up in spoilers...can we track who brought that up? 2. Relynn started carrying the Amanda flag up the hill in edgic even though she/he was overtly spoiled (posted a spoiler in my spoiler thread), despite us asking spoiled folks to not speculate on winner and eliminations...and I propose Relynn be banned at least from spec and edgic. Whether Parv's edit was edgically viable will probably be contentious with the nay sayers, but I think in a season of 20 (where they don't boot 3 in the first episode like they did in Palau) she got a perfectly balanced first few episodes...with her later actions backing up a key theme...we know their game, they know ours, so I have to play a different game...and she did exactly that. She wasn't neglected in a long stretch though her time at Airai was more on the UTR side as it was immaterial to the end game until she made her alliance with Alexis and Nat the episode they switched back. CT theory held strong, as Malakal was easily complex the first 3-4 episodes, that being the key time to me. Some have some different perceptions and ideas of what CT really means, but I again stand by it as a definitive pointer to which tribe the winner is in early on. That complexity though is defined by me as being where you aren't quite sure where the alliances precisely are. We were early on led to believe Cirie was with Eliza's crew, her wavering was never fingered until the switchup. And in the end, it was the complexity surrounding Cirie (at New Malakal) which distracted us from the known pair of Amanda/Parv. (However, known pairs have been dead as an edgic concept since the first F3 season. Didn't we remove that guideline? We voted for it as useless in the first edgies. But it was still important to distract us from it until it came up again in the finale). AND the episode where Amanda was upset with Parv helped to discredit the known pair F2. The concept is still there, it's just not a key edgic guideline as much as it is a minor factor. I loved having a F2 as a twist because it makes it unclear how the end game is going to go down. There will never be a F2 goat like there was in the old days, as long as they keep the players on their toes. |
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AnneZob |
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Congratulations everyone who voted for Parvati to win! I guess Cirie's distraction edit fooled me good. Ah, well, next time, next time. Until then I guess
I officially wear the dunce's hat :)!
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