^ Nice catch.
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Posts: 8870 (05/07/08 3:06 PM) Registered User |
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Jedijake |
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Posts: 5133 (05/09/08 6:45 PM) MESS member |
All of the undue support for Parvati seems to indicate that much of that support comes from spoilers suggesting she wins.
Spoilers, of course, which are actually unfounded and pretty much non-existent. Her numbers actually suck and her confessional count is absolutely horrible. We see every reason for her to lose and others to win yet no reason for Parvati to win over Amanda or Cirie. People like Parvati need a Clay, Matt, Twila, and Katie. Heck, she could even use a Danielle. She has none of those types to work with. Natalie's her best chance. If Natalie doesn't make it, Parvati logically cannot win. Amanda's too popular and Cirie's too bright. |
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Posts: 10114 (05/09/08 6:58 PM) Registered user |
But there are no spoilers suggesting she wins. There are no winner spoilers at all.
It has been obvious from Parvati's edit since episode 1 that she makes final 3 though. I think the strong support for her is because she had a much stronger first episode and merge episode than Cirie. But I would love it if Cirie wins. |
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Jedijake |
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Posts: 5134 (05/09/08 7:41 PM) MESS member |
That's why it only seems that there are spoilers that indicate it. We of course know better.
But still, in my opinion, after this past episode, Parvati's chances got a huge nail in the coffin. To me, her numbers just plain suck in comparison to Cirie and now Amanda. |
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craig |
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Posts: 13054 (05/10/08 2:49 AM) Registered User |
People like Parvati need a Clay, Matt, Twila, and Katie. Heck, she could even use a Danielle. She has none of those types to work with.Matt was edited to look far more unbeatable vs Jenna than any of Pav's possible opponents. Amanda's game isn't far removed from Danielle - pretty athletic girls but not the social\strategic player that Parv is. DDL at least got 2 votes and finsished 2nd. |
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AllMenAreIslands |
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Posts: 23710 (05/10/08 9:18 AM) Registered user |
It's going to come down to who has the better presentation to the Jury. If Cirie is booted at F4, as I think she will be (and it's not due to spoilers,
but due to reading the edit as presented), then that removes the one person with the highest viz and the best overall gameplay. Chances are, Cirie becomes a
vote for Parvati on the jury provided Parv can demonstrate she made moves all game long, just like Cirie did.
Some loose ends that remain to be tied up - Cirie mentioning the jealousy factor for why Amanda wanted to boot Alexis. That comment was made via confessional - why put it in unless there's a payoff later? We saw a little payoff when Amanda pushed for Nat to be booted instead of Alexis in Ep 12. There may be more to come. Cirie also commented negatively about Amanda & Ozzy making out. All this could add up to why Cirie votes for Parvati. Nat as we were shown had no game for 9 eps, she only seemed to start playing in Ep 10 with the guarantee to Jason; then she votes to boot James that ep as a way to be able to say "I didn't vote for you, Jason" to earn his vote. He probably won't vote for her anyway. LOL. But it would turn Cirie off too. From Parv's p.o.v., Cirie is better on the Jury. As for Amanda, she also looks good to us, but if that move is the only one she can lay claim to, then she may not be able to earn as many votes as Parvati. Bottom line, the votes don't have to be a landslide. My guess is it will be one of the closest ever seen for 3 person finals. Nobody will be left out, and as I mentioned in the Edgic thread, maybe the votes will be spread 2-2-3. This will help explain why the show was presented as it was - each of the finalists earned some votes. |
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The Marquesan Godfather |
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Posts: 10702 (05/10/08 10:54 AM) Registered User |
Cirie vs. Parv?
Nah, this season is JediJake vs. craig. I still think Edgic will declare victory if Parv, Cirie, or Amanda wins, soooo its pointless anyway. |
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AllMenAreIslands |
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Posts: 23717 (05/10/08 1:41 PM) Registered user |
It's Edgic victory only if Parvati wins. She is the majority selection (although a number of people have chosen Cirie or Amanda and stuck with their
choices.)
If Amanda or Cirie wins, it's only a victory to those who made those picks. Edgic needs a tweak and could not claim victory. If Natalie wins, Edgic needs a new guideline. |
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Relynn |
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Posts: 574 (05/10/08 2:26 PM) Registered user |
craig wrote: As for Jenna, I actually picked Jenna to win the game...Part of it was do to Insider episodes, and also player's interviews. Plus, the top spoiler said
that Jenna was more liked than Matt....The show did tell us that Matt was on the outside and wasn't liked and even that the people thought he was crazy.
But it was obvious if you listened to players interviews that everyone but Christy actually liked Jenna. For example, Joanna mentioned that it was Heidi that
she didn't like, but that Jenna was actually okay. She said that it was obvious Jenna really loved her mom.
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AllMenAreIslands |
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Posts: 23719 (05/10/08 2:45 PM) Registered user |
But there aren't spoilers -there are promos being shown on TV that talk about 3 tribal councils, however.
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Posts: 928 (05/10/08 6:19 PM) |
I'd like to clarify.
Some people were talking about a final two BEFORE THIS WEEK'S EPISODE, BEFORE THE PROMO COULD HAVE EVEN AIRED. |
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chaperone |
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Posts: 2488 (05/11/08 1:41 AM) Registered User |
Jedijake wrote: So, to summarize...edgic is being unduly influenced by non-existent spoilers. |
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The Marquesan Godfather |
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Posts: 10713 (05/11/08 1:49 PM) Registered User |
AllMenAreIslands wrote: Really? I called Edgic declaring victory with Amanda, Parv, or Cirie winning... first thing I see when I check the thread today:
Besides Natalie, anyone of the 3 (Amanda, Parvait, Cirie) winning could be supported in some way by Edgic.So, that's that. Edgic wins no matter what happens! Goodie for them, I guess. |
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Posts: 4050 (05/11/08 2:02 PM) |
Yes, because one person speaks for all of edgic.
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Posts: 23732 (05/11/08 3:30 PM) Registered user |
The Marquesan Godfather wrote: Natalie is the only one where the season is a complete loss for Edgic. With Amanda and Cirie, it would be a matter of tweaks that would be needed. It's not an Edgic victory, but neither would I say that it's a complete failure. It would be a case of - what did we miss? What should be given more weight next time, or less weight? But no, it would not be a clear-cut victory for Edgic as a whole if anyone other than Parvati wins. |
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Posts: 10141 (05/11/08 3:44 PM) Registered user |
Well, for starters the INV rule would have to be thrown out. And the editing for the first episode would have to be thrown out. And long strings of UTR
episodes early on would be allowed.
It would be another Danni situation, IMO. We'd probably have to write it off as another failure in a season with returning players, because I don't think any tweaking would solve it. It didn't in Danni's case. After all, if we missed Amanda's win too, it means edgic hasn't gotten any better at picking a winner in seasons with returning players. |
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Kitty Pryde1 |
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Posts: 4060 (05/11/08 3:53 PM) |
Cirie SHOULD be an edgic victory, whereas I think Parvati needs some tweaks if she wins. I mean, unless there's a final 2 and Parvati goes up against
Natalie, I can't see a situation in which a Parvati win would be acceptable to the viewers. Amanda is the nice girl that's the fan favorite of the
four remaining players and she has played a relatively honest game while still being strategic. She's who the audience expects to win (hence why I think
she's out at 4). Cirie has been the mastermind who may be rude at times, but she lets us know why she's doing what she's doing and we can respect
her. Parvati is shown as being another mastermind, which would be great if the season was a final 2, because then the viewers could understand Amanda and
Cirie being voted off and Parvati beating Natalie. But if it's a final 3, then Parvati just doesn't have a good edit for the viewers to at least
accept it.
Look at past seasons: Richard vs. Kelly (Richard was an ass and people probably didn't want him to win, but it was the first season, and since the first season, he's gained a lot of respect.) Tina vs. Colby (Colby was a challenge dominator, but Tina was nice too, so even if they thought Colby deserved it more, Tina's win was acceptable.) Ethan vs. Kim (Ethan was a nice guy, even compared to Kim, who was also nice.) Vecepia vs. Neleh (People were upset by this win too because Vecepia had a kinda lame edit, but Neleh looked bad too, so it was at least acceptable by comparison) Brian vs. Clay (Brian was bad, but Clay was worse, so this was acceptable.) Jenna vs. Matthew (This was the season where the viewers got pissed off and sent the editors towards the edits we see today. Jenna got thrown under the bus and the season was unacceptable because of it.) Sandra vs. Lill (Sandra was shown as funny, as Rupert's friend, while Lill betrayed him.) Amber vs. Rob (Rob was an ass while Amber was nice to people.) Chris vs. Twila (Twila was bitchy while Chris overcame the odds.) Tom vs. Katie (Do I even need to go into details for this one?) Danni vs. Steph (Steph was editted bitchy while Danni was nice.) Aras vs. Danielle (We were rooting for Cirie & Terry, but Danielle was much bitchier than Aras was, so it was acceptable.) Yul vs. Ozzy vs. Becky (Acceptable, but Yul and Ozzy were both good, and Becky was a no one.) Earl vs. Cassandra vs. Dreamz (Cassandra was a no one and Dreamz screwed Yau-Man.) Todd vs. Courtney vs. Amanda (Todd was in complete control while Amanda fell apart and Courtney was a bitch. He may not have been liked, but he was respectable.) That's the problem I have with Parvati. Granted, the most popular player never wins, but she has two players the viewers could accept as better winners than her and only one more round to get to the final tribal council. It could all change, like it did with Todd & Amanda, but Parvati's been set up as immature and undeserving for quite some time and it just wouldn't fit. |
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Posts: 23734 (05/11/08 4:07 PM) Registered user |
Going into the finale last time, few people had anything nice to say about Courtney. Her presentation to the jury won a lot of people over, and she earned 2nd
place. So the call on whether or not someone is deserving in viewers' eyes isn't really the case, Kitty. The winner is whoever it is, and that's
what the editors have to work with. It doesn't matter if the fans like it or not. Sometimes there just isn't a way to make the winner palatable.
ProbstFan, throwing stuff out wholesale wouldn't fix it, either. If Cirie did win, then my proposal would be to place more emphasis on what actually is said in Ep 1. Cirie wasn't hidden, just wasn't over-emphasized. Now, if Amanda won, then the INV rule would deservedly come under scrutiny. |
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Kitty Pryde1 |
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Posts: 4063 (05/11/08 4:09 PM) |
Courtney didn't WIN, though, AMAI.
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Posts: 23736 (05/11/08 4:30 PM) Registered user |
Very true. But did anyone expect her to get even one vote? She was starting at zero votes and thought to remain there.
I'm at the point where I can't see how Parvati wins, frankly. My hopes aren't up on that score. Everything seems stacked against her, despite the good marks she earned by Edgic guidelines. |
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