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AnneZob wrote:

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It Natalie wins, you might as well throw Edgic out of the window then and there. Hey, can anyone identify a potential "winner quote" from Natalie? I'm sure she has one.

Nothing throws Edgic out of the window. It's a learning experience. If we get tripped up, we write another guideline.

Maybe the producers decided to blindside the viewers by keeping her hidden; it feels like a one-off. Like something where this was the perfect season to have a winner come from nowhere, given the record number of blindsides. It would all be in the jury presentation.

Up until now, Natalie didn't have to really do anything to stay in the game. She wasn't a target during the early game, she was someone others talked to to try to get her to agree to their plans. She was key in making the Jason and Erik blindsides work.

If Natalie were the winner, it would mean MB has gotten a new editing team But as far as I'm concerned, it would make us make Edgic better. If anyone still wanted to do it, that is. I would hope they would. I think it would teach us to pay attention to how the stories are being told and to be open to working out how the pieces are fitting together.

There was a point when everyone's edit seemed suspect and "not a winner's edit." When there's an aberration (and Nat's edit from eps 1-10 is a perfect example of an aberration), question it, look at it, don't dismiss it. That's what we'd learn. If anyone other than Parvati wins, we'd have to see what it was that we missed, what we focused on to the exclusion of other things that weren't given enough or any weight. It could mean there's only so much "doubt" a player's edit can take before it's the story of how that person lost.

fat little fingers wrote:

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Cirie's wimpy strategy of voting with the fans is unexlplained,

There was Amanda's odd little opening conf that described Cirie as still a trusted member of the F-3 alliance. A rather contorted explanation about how Cirie was still trusted because she was reluctant to call a tie...but, instead to vote for Amanda? Uh-huh...

It was obvious that the eds felt the need to patch the F-3 alliance up asap for the coming story. Buh-bye Natalie, you've had your F-4 moment. Congrats. Now go sit over there with Darrah, Jennifer, and Denise.

But flf, why would they have to patch up the F3 alliance if the F3 alliance stays together? It could be in tatters because the plan has changed, and that's why we were shown Cirie working the room, directing the moves. She thinks she's invisible to everyone, but I bet the reason for patching up the F3 alliance is to add some suspense to Cirie being the bootee at F4. That could be why we heard Parvati's exclamation about Cirie's ability to make a fire in the dark. She hadn't realized the extent of Cirie's abilities - now if there's a tie at F4, and Cirie is involved, she could beat whomever it is and wind up in the F3. Is that what Amanda and Parvati really want? They should have no difficulty convincing Natalie to vote Cirie out. No tie, no danger, and what's best, no Cirie stealing the win with all her games moves.

Cirie's high visibility seems to me more a respect edit for someone who played too well, and didn't win. We saw all the moves she made, but we didn't really see enough connections to people on the jury for all the time we saw her talking about the game and what she was going to do. Not enough SPV.

The reason we didn't see the family stuff both times (early spa reward and the family visit reward) was that the winner wasn't present at either of them. And Cirie was present at both those events.

Jedijake wrote:

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Well it is a bad attitude if it's shoved down the viewer's throats and displayed in the open.

That was the same attitude that Steph and RobM had.

Very true. Thing is, Parvati's attitude hasn't been shoved down our throats AND she hasn't been shown as disrespectful to people's faces for no reason. Her giggly confessionals are one thing, but by & large she's been shown being even-tempered. Remember how nasty Steph was to Lydia, and even people who were her alleged BFFs.

Nothing in the editing or the story suggests that Eliza would ever vote for Natalie. And history tells us that she will vote for someone she respects who played her.

True. She might be a vote for Parvati, actually. But it depends on how things are presented to the Jury. I'm just saying, Eliza's vote is one of those "up in the air," and she could decide to throw a vote to someone who (a) is not the pageant girl and (b) is not the girl who humiliated her. Ergo, she'd vote for Natalie because she too made moves and earns respect. It's just my suggestion for one way for there to be a very close count at the end. Maybe Erik votes for Natalie since she played him, maybe he votes for Amanda.

Many of the jurors are possible votes for each one of the final 4. Thing is, as presented, it looks to us like Cirie is a lock to win if she's allowed to get to the end. It was such an unnecessary tidbit to show us Cirie making a fire in the dark AND Parvati commenting upon it with disbelief, admiration and the beginning of concern. Uhoh, what if there were a tie at F4, and rather than being the sure-fire loser, Cirie were the winner of it? So the choice to go for a tie could mean that she, Parvati, were out if she had to start a fire competing against Cirie. Parvati wouldn't take that chance; she'd organize "her" girls to boot Cirie rather than risk it.