S-16 Edgic (editing and logic)

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AllMenAreIslands		#4721	[-]
Posts: 23699 (05/09/08 7:32 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I'm thinking you're right, Anne. Cirie has received a ton of confessionals and she's gotten CPs throughout the game. Perhaps she is the favorite of the season, even if she doesn't win. She gets the best edit for consolation? Maybe there's a tie, and it's between Amanda and Cirie, with Parvati being the one to receive only one vote. Parvati was the only one of the final 4 to have CP in the opening ep, and perhaps we put too much stock into that guideline.
Jenny du Jour		#4722	[-]
Posts: 906 (05/09/08 7:32 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	What is the penultimate episode theory?
Saffron22		#4723	[-]
Posts: 32 (05/09/08 7:34 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Edgically Natalie and Amanda can't win. Logically Parvati can't beat Cirie or Amanda in a jury vote. Someone is going to be surprised on Sunday night - either the viewing audience when Parvati wins, or edgic when Cirie or Amanda or Natalie wins. It should be very, very interesting.
AnneZob		#4724	[-]
Posts: 104 (05/09/08 7:41 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	AllMenAreIslands wrote: I'm thinking you're right, Anne. Cirie has received a ton of confessionals and she's gotten CPs throughout the game. Perhaps she is the favorite of the season, even if she doesn't win. She gets the best edit for consolation? Maybe there's a tie, and it's between Amanda and Cirie, with Parvati being the one to receive only one vote. Parvati was the only one of the final 4 to have CP in the opening ep, and perhaps we put too much stock into that guideline. Actually I don't think Cirie has been the favorite. If the fan favorite she would have been much more positive than she has been. In fact I would say who the fan fav has been has changed throughout the season. Right now Amanda is the closest to the fan fav in my opinion. She's definitely the most sympathetic of the 4 remaining anyway and the one that ordinary viewers are most likely to want to win.
Jedijake		#4725	[-]
Posts: 5135 (05/09/08 7:43 PM) MESS member Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Edgically Natalie and Amanda can't win. Logically Parvati can't beat Cirie or Amanda in a jury vote. Someone is going to be surprised on Sunday night - either the viewing audience when Parvati wins, or edgic when Cirie or Amanda or Natalie wins. It should be very, very interesting. Thank you! Voice of reason. Finally someone summing up what I can't seem to say in concise words lol.
Saffron22		#4726	[-]
Posts: 34 (05/09/08 7:45 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I disagree with Amanda being the fan favorite. She has had a couple of strong episodes recently, but overall Cirie is by far the most likeable player. I think if you did a viewer popularity poll of the 4 remaining players, Cirie would win hands down. Cirie is one of the most popular contestants ever. Amanda might be popular in a bland, generic way. Like Danni. In fact, if Cirie doesn't win on Sunday, she will probably win the $100,000 viewer prize.
AnneZob		#4727	[-]
Posts: 105 (05/09/08 7:47 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	To add: I think this season is going to be a big test of the "Episode 1" theory. If Parvati wins then in the future the importance of Episode 1 is going to have to be jacked up majorly. In Cirie wins the importance of Episode 1 will have to be downgraded quite a bit (as long as they are not completely ignored it doesn't matter that much). Alexis' departure showed the "Episode 1 as the number one factor" theory and the "as long as they give them a few fluffy scenes to make sure we don't forget them " is completely wrong. If Amanda or Natalie wins, well a lot more than the Episode 1 theory is going to have to be thrown out of the window.
AnneZob		#4728	[-]
Posts: 106 (05/09/08 7:53 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Saffron22 wrote: I disagree with Amanda being the fan favorite. She has had a couple of strong episodes recently, but overall Cirie is by far the most likeable player. I think if you did a viewer popularity poll of the 4 remaining players, Cirie would win hands down. Cirie is one of the most popular contestants ever. Amanda might be popular in a bland, generic way. Like Danni. In fact, if Cirie doesn't win on Sunday, she will probably win the $100,000 viewer prize. Well Cirie is still very popular amongst viewers but a lot of that I suspect is from Exile Island. If it was just from this season alone I doubt she would be that popular. I just feel Amanda has been getting more of the fav edit in recent episodes. Though given the negativity that surround the female F4 it's not like a Yau-man or anything.
unduli clone		#4729	[-]
Posts: 2766 (05/09/08 8:27 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	As far as the widespread concern I'm seeing that Parvati could never beat Cirie or Amanda in a jury vote, that's a huge indicator that she will win. Late-game doubt is a great thing for a winner, in whatever form it comes in. It could be that the winner is the next to go, as in Jenna's case, or that they've played too hard, bullied and possibly pissed off the jury, as in Tom's case. Or, it could be that they just don't have a jury chance against the others left, as in Todd's case. Did Parvati have a pretty terrible episode this past time? Absolutely. But Edgic isn't about picking winners at the F4, it's about choosing at the merge, and Parvati had a strong opening with seasonal themes and ties, in addition to a some strong episodes later on with plenty of editing manipulation and a ton of jury connections. You can't pick the winner off their pre-finale episode, so don't drop Parvati now.
fat little fingers		#4730	[-]
Posts: 5510 (05/09/08 8:37 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	AZ: If Parvati wins then in the future the importance of Episode 1 is going to have to be jacked up majorly. In Cirie wins the importance of Episode 1 will have to be downgraded quite a bit It's not even Ep1, it's the first segment of Ep1. But, Cirie always had a good Ep1 first segment. The arguments against Cirie's edit had to do with her lack of a role in the last half of the episode. If Cirie wins it would link with her original statement that she was just that lil' ol' couch potato. This coy description was exploded when, in Ep2, she told us that she was going to have to do something to break up the stranglehold that the hottie alliance had on her tribe. Her edit (both positive and negative) from then on was about her skills at manipulating the players around her. Alexis fell from the radar screen quickly, after ep2, as her edit was neglected. Like Amanda in the previous season, (I learn from bitter experience.), Alexis lacked the development of a personality. We were never told who she was, what she thought, how others thought about her. But, Alexis' ep1 opening confessional still stands as the defining theme. And because of that, I stick with Parvati. Her opening statement (in the light of Alexis' conf.), still trumps Cirie.
Jedijake		#4731	[-]
Posts: 5136 (05/09/08 8:45 PM) MESS member Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	But it wasn't just one or two episodes that put doubt into Parvati's chances. It was an on-going story since the merge that delivered reason after reason why she wouldn't win. Someone who gets necessary doubt is balanced with more necessary hope. Parvati has a ton of "doubt" and very little hope. When most of the people playing the game voted for Parvati as "the person who is under the false illusion that she is running the game", what kind of chance does someone like that have of winning? And if Parvati is believed to be under the "illusion" then who is it who people think is REALLY running the game? Are they hiding that from us? I think there's more to that than we think. I think the viewer is being made to think Parvati is running the game while we are being told that people think she only assumes she is. Meanwhile, we are being shown every move that Cirie makes and every bit of involvement she has WITHOUT us being told she is running the game. This is where they are holding back in particular places with Cirie. Something doesn't feel right about Cirie getting voted out at all during the game. At the same time, something certainly doesn't feel right about her getting to the end and losing for no reason to someone who should lose for many reasons. Hey, I may be wrong and I will accept it. However, I just don't see it being any other way right now.
AllMenAreIslands		#4732	[-]
Posts: 23701 (05/09/08 8:49 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	AnneZob wrote: To add: I think this season is going to be a big test of the "Episode 1" theory. If Parvati wins then in the future the importance of Episode 1 is going to have to be jacked up majorly. In Cirie wins the importance of Episode 1 will have to be downgraded quite a bit (as long as they are not completely ignored it doesn't matter that much). Alexis' departure showed the "Episode 1 as the number one factor" theory and the "as long as they give them a few fluffy scenes to make sure we don't forget them " is completely wrong. If Amanda or Natalie wins, well a lot more than the Episode 1 theory is going to have to be thrown out of the window. If Cirie wins, then the Ep 1 Quote needs to be bumped up in importance. The sentences actually spoken should be typed up so we can review them and remind ourselves whose has the most power to tell a story. The thing with Cirie is, she had her "game over" confessionals last ep (Ep 12) and now in Ep 13 she is shown displaying the master of ceremonies, organizing everything and everyone and totally running the game, and all the women let her, because she's brilliant, and that's why they had to boot her at F4 - she would totally win.
AnneZob		#4733	[-]
Posts: 107 (05/09/08 8:55 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	AllMenAreIslands wrote: AnneZob wrote: To add: I think this season is going to be a big test of the "Episode 1" theory. If Parvati wins then in the future the importance of Episode 1 is going to have to be jacked up majorly. In Cirie wins the importance of Episode 1 will have to be downgraded quite a bit (as long as they are not completely ignored it doesn't matter that much). Alexis' departure showed the "Episode 1 as the number one factor" theory and the "as long as they give them a few fluffy scenes to make sure we don't forget them " is completely wrong. If Amanda or Natalie wins, well a lot more than the Episode 1 theory is going to have to be thrown out of the window. If Cirie wins, then the Ep 1 Quote needs to be bumped up in importance. The sentences actually spoken should be typed up so we can review them and remind ourselves whose has the most power to tell a story. The thing with Cirie is, she had her "game over" confessionals last ep (Ep 12) and now in Ep 13 she is shown displaying the master of ceremonies, organizing everything and everyone and totally running the game, and all the women let her, because she's brilliant, and that's why they had to boot her at F4 - she would totally win. Actually I don't think it was a "game over" confessional. What people were saying after that episode and before this episode was that it was game over because that scene was a sign that Cirie was going to get complacent and get booted out because she is no longer suspicious of other people. In this episode we see the complete opposite of what the "game over" people were expecting.
fat little fingers		#4734	[-]
Posts: 5511 (05/09/08 9:01 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	AMAI: that's why they had to boot her at F4 - she would totally win. Episode 4 We'll see, AMAI, we'll see.
AllMenAreIslands		#4735	[-]
Posts: 23702 (05/09/08 9:06 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Just thinking about Courtney's game last season. She won a few people over with her jury answers. How you present the game you played could convince people to vote you the money if you can show that you had a gameplan. Maybe Natalie wins because her game was to play UTR totally and she even prevented the editors from having anything to show of her. It would be cool if she turned out to be Suckster, familiar with Edgic. LOL. I'm just making shit up now, but basically that's what it would take for Natalie to pull a win out of it here. She totally worked the production and the game and manipulated her way into the endzone because everyone figured she was stupid. Or sex-crazed or something. Anyway, chances are that's a pipe dream. But it'd be cool. Of course, it could well be that Natalie only gets one vote, Parv & Amanda each receive 3, so it would be Natalie's vote that decides the winner. And she would vote for Parvati. What it would mean for Edgic is, returning players seasons are more likely than not going to be seasons where we discover ways to improve Edgic, because we've always been thrown.
AnneZob		#4736	[-]
Posts: 108 (05/09/08 9:12 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	AllMenAreIslands wrote: Just thinking about Courtney's game last season. She won a few people over with her jury answers. How you present the game you played could convince people to vote you the money if you can show that you had a gameplan. Maybe Natalie wins because her game was to play UTR totally and she even prevented the editors from having anything to show of her. It would be cool if she turned out to be Suckster, familiar with Edgic. LOL. I'm just making shit up now, but basically that's what it would take for Natalie to pull a win out of it here. She totally worked the production and the game and manipulated her way into the endzone because everyone figured she was stupid. Or sex-crazed or something. Anyway, chances are that's a pipe dream. But it'd be cool. Of course, it could well be that Natalie only gets one vote, Parv & Amanda each receive 3, so it would be Natalie's vote that decides the winner. And she would vote for Parvati. What it would mean for Edgic is, returning players seasons are more likely than not going to be seasons where we discover ways to improve Edgic, because we've always been thrown. It Natalie wins, you might as well throw Edgic out of the window then and there. Hey, can anyone identify a potential "winner quote" from Natalie? I'm sure she has one.
getting real		#4737	[-]
Posts: 1196 (05/09/08 9:17 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	that's why they had to boot her at F4 - she would totally win. AMAI and FLF, don't forget Jonathan's warning. What is the penultimate episode theory? See post nos. 4350, 4493, 4558, 4564, 4571.
getting real		#4738	[-]
Posts: 1197 (05/09/08 9:21 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Hey, can anyone identify a potential "winner quote" from Natalie? I'm sure she has one: Take your pick: "I want to slap him like his mother" (X 2) and "flossing with his jugular". Nah, her main one is the "head down, bum up" (paraphrased) quote which apparently explained where she was until she got here.
AllMenAreIslands		#4739	[-]
Posts: 23703 (05/09/08 9:25 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	AnneZob wrote: ...I don't think it was a "game over" confessional. What people were saying after that episode and before this episode was that it was game over because that scene was a sign that Cirie was going to get complacent and get booted out because she is no longer suspicious of other people. In this episode we see the complete opposite of what the "game over" people were expecting. It was more than just the game over-ish comments at the Reward - and remember we didn't see anything about Cirie's family during the spa reward. That's something that's a staple when a reality tv whore wins the family reward - letters from home get to be read aloud, so we get to know and see Cirie and have that connection to her. Also it's a chance to show her and Ozzy, establish some connection with and to him. We saw one quick scene, when Ozzy made Cirie go out on the boat and she moaned and whined about it. If you dig deeper into the content of the edit, the what it was we were chosen to see, of all the Cirie footage there was. What instead we are seeing are Cirie's ties with each of Amanda, Parvati and just recently Natalie. Her ties with other jurors wasn't important, only her ties to these three women. That signals to me that Cirie is the next juror and possibly final juror. The opportunity to establish ties between Cirie and people who are on the jury was let slip by time and again. Why is she now being shown in conjunction with Natalie? Is she the vote for Natalie, because she feels betrayed by Amanda and Parvati? Is she one of many votes for Natalie, or at least 3, maybe? Maybe it's Amanda who gets the one vote, only it's from Ozzy and everyone else picking someone on whatever criteria they prefer for either Nat or Parv. Why would that happen that way? Amanda flakes out again thanks to a comment that catches her off-guard about the fact of her being jealous of Alexis and that's why she wanted to get rid of her, but that was before Ozzy was booted. Then, it was all about NOT sending Alexis to Jury House. LOL. Amanda might fold and alienate jurors with her answers on that one, erasing the good will she built up getting rid of Alexis. Now she looks driven by jealousy, petty and mean.
fat little fingers		#4740	[-]
Posts: 5512 (05/09/08 9:25 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	AMAI and FLF, don't forget Jonathan's warning. Jonathan also told Eliza that pre-merge Malakal was the best beach, but that Airai had "the best people". But, yes, his TC vote comment warning Parvati that Cirie would devour her is a doozy. Go Parvati! Will I ever get this right? Lol.

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