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Posts: 1123 (05/08/08 11:27 PM) Registered User |
Please don't vote impulsively.
The women (minus Cirie) were just as easily N (for very different reasons obviously). Erik's giving Nat immunity will impact his strategy rating much more than his edgic rating. (what's he getting? S3---?
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 rolandofthewhite |
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Posts: 1050 (05/08/08 11:39 PM) Registered User |
Amanda - CPN3
Cirie - CPP4 Erik - OTTM5 Natalie - CPM3 Parvati - UTRN2 This is the first time I've tried this, so I do hope it's semi-close. |
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fat little fingers |
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Posts: 5508 (05/08/08 11:47 PM) Registered User |
Sorry, flf, I don't agree with the NN or even a heavy N. It was a "WTF N". Lol, Francois. Well, I did make a progression in my posts toward a neutral OTT for Fluffy. |
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chapera rocks |
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Posts: 8880 (05/09/08 12:17 AM) Registered User |
Welp, Parvati was ignored except for the EI scene at TC. One confessional. She's tied with Amanda now I believe.
Hmm. |
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colleenlover |
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Posts: 8113 (05/09/08 12:26 AM) Registered User |
Cirie is the best player to ever play this game. bar none. The fact that she is a physcial liability and can get past the first round so well -and not be
considered a threat by FANS of the show is amazing.
I'm crossing my fingers that she wins -and it's all about "fire is your life in this game." I'm surprised by Parvati's lack of confessionals and reflection aside from exhile. Cirie's vote -brains over brawn -so good. All she has in this game is her brain -she didn't have winsome looks over brawn -she's the best player to ever, ever play this game even if she loses. |
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colleenlover |
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Posts: 8114 (05/09/08 12:32 AM) Registered User |
I think Erik is predominantly OTTP -this was a reporting episode -there's no need for manipulation and tone -these people are bringing it instead-
don't go looking for something that's not there.
Erik is perhaps the worst person to ever play this game and not because of this blunder- just consistantly bad when dynamics were set up. And God -if he chose Natalie to go to Exhile the odds were good that he and she would be in the final three- just using fear of the idol. I think he's the type of fan who just watches the episodes and takes it at face value -"Rupert and Stephanie are the best players..." |
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scepticA |
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Posts: 1358 (05/09/08 12:36 AM) Registered User |
There was a movie I saw on TV a while ago, a spy movie I think, where near the end one of the guys (a semi-bad guy) looked at someone else with incredible
sympathy, sadly shook his head, and said something like, "Oh.... You poor dumb stupid son of a bitch."
Yeah. Erik. One more big whoopin' scoop of doubt on the Parvati pile! Right - it was so smart for her to not look for the idol because she trusted the girls and wanted to just kick back. I thought that trust was kind of dumb and dangerous at this point in the game. 'cept for Parv, apparently. The whole "doubt" thing has me seriously wondering. She disses people, it's doubt. She doesn't bother even looking for the HII, that's okay - it's doubt. UTR in the penultimate ep? Doubt. Long stretch of UTRs? Doubtarama. Pee water? Doubtaroo. So if she's up against Cirie or Amanda, how will she win? yes, there's doubt JUST LIKE TODD we all say in unison. But right now we see how they'll win. With all the knowing looks it seems like everyong seems to know that Cirie was strategic (her comments at the voting booth were wonderful!) and the jury was totally smitten with Amanda's move last week. And Parv talks about how she didn't bother looking for the idol and Oz shakes his head in disgust... oops. Doubt. Look - I'm not changing my vote from Parv - I made it a long time ago, and them's the rules. But at some point we have to ask about game logic as well as editing logic. Where is the editing logic that Oz will vote for Parv? That those jurors who lurved Amanda's move and Cirie's strategy will switch to Parv? because, you see, those two are contradictory. Doubt is, I thought, something that they put in to say, "Hey, the guy we thought was the incredibly obvious winner - maybe he doesn't win!" Well, when was Parv the obvious winner to the general public? ETA: In response to Collenlover re Erik as a dreadful player. Absolutely. I said it a few days ago, and repeat it now: Erik was a fan of the SHOW. He was not a fan of the GAME. That's the key to him, and to a lot of those "fans."
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Posts: 2745 (05/09/08 12:39 AM) Registered User |
cantthinkofaname wrote:I agree, that'll mostly effect his strategy rating, not his tone, though I will say I felt some sympathy for him at tribal council, which is why I'm leaning towards a M rating right now. Tone is going to be hard this episode, I found Amanda to be a hypocritical jerk, even though the SPV kind of backed up what she did. As for Erik's strategy rating, I'm not sure if he's an S2 or S3, but he's definitely a --, I may give him a triple --- just for the heck of it since he was shown as a moron the entire episode.
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Posts: 4675 (05/09/08 12:40 AM) Registered user |
But at some point we have to ask about game logic as well as editing logic. THANK YOU! Sometimes here it seems like people have completely ditched the "logic" part and just focus on the editing. |
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Relynn |
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Posts: 547 (05/09/08 12:40 AM) Registered user |
scepticA wrote: Someone said that the obvious winner to the General Public is Cirie and now Amanda. I don't know what to think I think it's possible that Parvarti could win this. But can I say something why didn't we see a confessional where Natalie talks about Parvarti blindsiding her? |
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colleenlover |
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Posts: 8115 (05/09/08 12:48 AM) Registered User |
I just think it's hard to talk about logic for a edited piece of 44 mins from a seventy-two hours or footage. What if we had a confessional next episode
where she says, "I've hated Parv for 37 days and can't stand pretending anymore..." or Cirie has a confessional about how she and Amanda had
a secret alliance on day 4 etc.
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scepticA |
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Posts: 1359 (05/09/08 1:01 AM) Registered User |
cl, there must be some logic to the editing. (and not just because of the name of this thread!) They are telling a story in 13 separate chapters. They want
the chapters compelling. They want the resolution understandable. At this point we can legitimately ask ourselves: how does the edit represent the
"game" of each person? I will give credit to P, C, and A - they are all playing a very good game of Survivor. But who has been shown since the
merge to be... mastermind? Most strategic? More proactive? However you want to put it, if jurors are going to vote for someone who had a hand in their
personal boot, which is a given, due to the nature of the game, one would think that we'd see them vote for the most skilled player.
This is, I think, a key to the whole season's edit. This has been a season of strategic moves. We see blindside after blindside. We see alliances built and crumble, people (Joel) who take a dumb short-term view of the game and get blasted, people getting played like a stradivarius. We see manipulation on a grand scale (Erik, you poor dumb son of a bitch...) If this is the meme to the season: The faves KNOW HOW TO PLAY, then Cirie is going to win. The above isn't edgic. But it is editing logic. |
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Posts: 3085 (05/09/08 1:20 AM) Registered User |
no i just mean giving the idol to someone else based on the reasons presented by cirie and natalie could have been smart. because they were valid reasons.
which is why it was so convincing.
i don't think erik is a good player, though. and in this context, it was a bad move (learn from history, sweetie). but to give an immunity to someone else as a way to prove that you are voting with them could be a good move. cirie and nat sold it well. he's a better player than No, BRILLIANTLY. that was thrilling! that was the best manipulation i've ever seen on this goddamn show, and so much insight into it! left and right, from all around! oh god it was euphoric!! i thought watching ami switch eliza to her side on the dolly boot was thrilling, watching cirie get courtney out was thrilling, but oh jesus, this was incredible. from amanda and parvati at TC to nat and cirie selling the idea to erik -- oh man. and i love that erik was just like, "whoops! 4 sexy ladies got me!" i think cirie is brilliant, maybe most brilliant of all people i've seen play ever. and ami is like a fascinating idiot savant to me at this game. |
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Tyran Amiros |
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Posts: 228 (05/09/08 1:24 AM) Registered User |
Not seeing the full N for Pavarti this episode. She was positively chipper when she described her "time to take a break...and get a tan" on Exile.
It actually contrasted nicely to the Scheming Women of Dabu plot--by not being one of the women who betrayed him, Pavarti probably just won Erik's vote.
It was probably good for her that she stayed out of this. Just as Vee avoided the full negativity of the RobM/Sean plot in Marquesas, Pavarti stays in the
background of a very negative storyline, indeed, even above the scheming.
For ratings I'd go with Amanda: CPN4--she was in full-on martyr mode in this episode Cerie: MORM3--strategy does not a CP make, especially this late in the game. I felt Cerie was fairly two dimentional in her Erik obsession, and not much beyond that. Erik: OTTM5--He's too much "aww, shucks" about his play for a pure N, but we were obviously supposed to be rooting for him not to give the necklace up. He was a caricature to the end. Natalie: OTTN3--the witch is back! Lying to Erik's face, plotting his demise--it was not a nice treatment for Natalie. Pavarti: UTR2--she was in the background, but I noted the way the editors contrasted her calm, relaxed attitude to Erik and Amanda's supposed-"relaxation" on their Reward. I didn't see her not looking for the idol as N per se--she was given the chance to clearly explain why she chose not to look for the idol. Yes, she could have been eliminated--but that's not the story they showed us. Parv was never portrayed in serious danger, so we never had a "Parv was stupid not to find the idol" moment. Winner: Sticking with Pavarti. Her post-merge story's coming full circle. In the Merge, she worried that she'd created too many alliances, but one by one, she's been at the center of every boot and outlasted them all. Amanda's endgame in HalfAss resembles her endgame in China--but does this jury want apologies or are they looking to reward gameplay? Cerie's story came full circle last episode, with the realization at the Reward that she had to change up her strategy--but is it too little too late? In the end, I think Pavarti fits the edgic guidelines as well as the season's story of learning from the past and adapting your strategy the best. |
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Posts: 3086 (05/09/08 1:33 AM) Registered User |
and whatevs on erik's rating. i'd say just regular old OTT. no M! he's edited as positive and/or negative. it's reporting! but it's
all decorative anyways, because the rating someone gets in their boot episode really has nothing to do with edgic. so whatevs.
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Posts: 1095 (05/09/08 1:41 AM) Registered User |
Parvati had a weird edit this episode but I think it's fitting after a second watch. It tied in together once at Tribal Council and she says "It ended up being like little vacation for me. But when I got back from exile, I heard about Erik running around and making
alliances with every single person and then breaking up alliances, switching them up, and switching back over. He didn't even need to do that since he won
immunity three times in a row. So I was happy to be exile away from it."
I'd say MOR2 but I am new at this. |
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Jedijake |
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Posts: 5131 (05/09/08 6:16 AM) MESS member |
I personally think that Parvati is out of the running for a win. She certainly has an edit to get to the finals, but it seems like a LONG shot for her to win.
Someone (other than Natalie) will have to really really screw up badly in front of the jury to lose to Parvati.
I suppose I can see Amanda possibly showing a bad jury performance, but you'd think she would have learned from China, despite whether she knew she lost or not. Cirie wouldn't screw up. And let's look back at how many winners never got confessionals about them as to whether they were threats in the jury. Nobody EVER spoke about the chances of Vecepia, Sandra, Chris, Danni, Aras, or Earl winning or losing. Parvati's edit reminds me a great deal of Stephanie 2.0, Katie, Dreamz, and Mariano. Cirie's edit reminds me a great deal of Sandra, Chris, Earl, and to some extent a very visible Vecepia. |
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dennydoylelives |
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Posts: 2279 (05/09/08 7:54 AM) Registered User |
Oowatanite wrote: You forgot to mention, they were also hypocritcally manipulating him too. |
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OnlyTheHunter |
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Posts: 1513 (05/09/08 8:07 AM) Edgician |
Sceptic said
But at some point we have to ask about game logic as well as editing logic. Nope, and I rarely disagree with you, but this time I do, sorry. Edgic is the logic of the edit, not the game. Chris can't beat all the women, Tom can't make it to the end, yada yada yada. Game logic is exactly what plays with people's heads. A good edit will make you think something can't happen so you have a reaction when it does. Game logic is not in play. Not for me anyway. I think this is simply a season edited well enough to make you question the ending. Don't. Go to the beginning. The theme is still there. What wouldn't be funnier than Alexis, or any fan, to go to Final TC and tell Parvati, "I thought we knew every favorite's game. But you changed yours, and you deserve to win." And that is shown as the clinching vote. Some thought on my part anyway. If you just can't see how Parvati would win, but can admit that Edgically she's made sense all season up to now, there's your clue. The average fan won't see it, and will be more shocked. Parvati wins. No more returning players ever, please. Michael |
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Posts: 1514 (05/09/08 8:10 AM) Edgician |
Roland, not bad ratings, and with that avatar, please keep it up! :-)
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