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WiscBadger95 wrote:

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Something I was just thinking about today: We now know that Ben can control Smokey, but does he always control Smokey? Or is it allowed to do it's own things some of the time? If it's the former, that would mean that Ben is responsible for the deaths of the pilot and Eko, and also had it chasing Kate and Juliet through the jungle possibly to kill them, too.

Heres my take.

Ben never even dared to go and do whatever he had to do to bring out old smokey...until Widmore "broke the rules" and had his daughter killed in cold blood. (we all know that Ben has a thing about murderers of innocents). And we all can see that calling forth smokey isnt the easiest thing in the world to do...Ben looked like he had to go through a bit to have it done, hopefully in a future episode we can see exactly where he went behind that door...

And, we know from Ben that there are "good" people and "bad" people. Smokey reads people and kills "bad" people. Ben tells Locke hes "one of the good guys..." which is why Locke can face smokey and not die. Now im thinking smokey eating you is tied to the person killing innocents in cold blood. (innocents being people not involved in the game) If Michael ever ran into smokey...he'd be toast. When Ben was able to release smokey, it went directly for the guys with guns cause they killed a bunch of others and alex in particular, a no-no? (remember, alex is pretty much a female version of aaron, isnt she? I girl impregnated off the island and born on it..)

Which also gets me to thinking, when Ben told Locke that in order to see Jacob and be chosen hed have to sacrifice his father for the island...was he trying to set him up for smokey to eat him? Surely if Locke killed the guy with his own hands, that would put him in the "bad" group, no? Locke was intuitive enough to get Sawyer to do it...

And when that didnt work, Ben took the matter in his own hands and tried to kill Lock himself by shooting him...which throws my whole theory out the window cause wouldnt that be just as bad? lol shouldnt smokey be after Ben as well?

Then again, maybe thats why ben was frantic when he came back, desperate to run away knowing that after smokey was done with the invaders, he might be next...

Fluffynurse wrote:

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Smokey almost had Locke down it's pie-hole too.

Did Ben necessarily get dirty activating Smokey? Maybe he got dirty going to another time off island to confront Widmore?

And Locke wanted to go down the pie-hole! He knew, somehow, he wasnt going to die. Most likely he would have been rewarded of seeing a lair that Ben had access too beyond that door.

As for Ben coming from behind that door...he very well could have done some "travelling" in time, i would think it takes alot more than a minute or so to activate something that one has very little control over...it just seemed like a minute to us.