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Arrogant Dreamer wrote:

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Im just a little sad that Toby's character has turned into a one trick pony. We get it, he has a crush on Pam, is that all he has to iffer the show from now on?

With ya. That seems to be the M.O. of this show though. If a personality quirk is a little bit funny, they pour it on thinking more is better. Remember how what's her name was shown as a problem drinker, which was initially funny, then every single episode they tried to use that same joke? The only two bit characters they have used consistently well (meaning they haven't become overused, one trick ponies) are Phyllis (who is usually nice but occasionally bitchy) and Creed (with whom they've shown incredible restraint in not overusing, given his popularity.)

I think it's hilarious how all the uber-fans on here think Toby is suddenly a huge villain because he took satisfaction in Jim getting called out by Ryan. It's like the measure of a person's character on the show is whether or not they worship Jim and Pam the way some people on this board do.

***edited because I wrote "Meredith" when I meant "Phyllis." Meredith is the one trick pony who drinks all the time. At least they stopped having her flash someone in every episode...

Lovejonze wrote:

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I think it's hilarious how all the uber-fans on here think Toby is suddenly a huge villain because he took satisfaction in Jim getting called out by Ryan. It's like the measure of a person's character on the show is whether or not they worship Jim and Pam the way some people on this board do.

That isn't it at all. You really aren't looking deeper, are you?

Jim is slowly becoming Michael in every way possible. Soon, his hatred of Toby will mirror Michael's, and I can't wait to see how Jim becomes Michael in other relationships around the office. But maybe that humor is a little too subtle for you.

It doesn't have jack to do with Pam or their relationship.

Not going to happen. A few times Jim has f'ed up and realized he could be a young Michael Scott. They play it up for laughs, and it has been funny at times (like when he talked everyone into staying late and they got locked in.) But there's NO way Jim starts saying "That's what she said" and proudly driving a Chrysler Sebring convertable as as status symbol. No matter how much Toby messes with him, Jim isn't going to start badmouthing him all the time. Jim has never badmouthed ANYONE on the show, and he didn't even say anything when Toby made a play for Pam right in front of him. Methinks you're looking TOO deep.

Also, other than putting his hand on Pam's leg when she laughed at his joke, I don't think Toby has really done anybody wrong. He's the HR guy, so it makes sense he'd be there when Ryan gave Jim the warning. Although Toby seemed to appreciate the scolding, he's not Jim's boss and Ryan has been shown to feel threatened by Jim. I can hardly see why Jim would blame Toby for that.

I'd also point out that Jim's reprimand is at least partly warranted. While it was probably motivated by Ryan's insecurity, Jim does spend most of his day talking to Pam and playing pranks. It makes good tv, sometimes, but I wouldn't want an employee who acted like he was at a party half the day. I actually thought it was pretty interesting seeing Jim react to the scolding. I actually like the occasional dose of reality in the show.

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pizza harold wrote:

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Arrogant Dreamer wrote:

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Im just a little sad that Toby's character has turned into a one trick pony. We get it, he has a crush on Pam, is that all he has to iffer the show from now on?

With ya. That seems to be the M.O. of this show though. If a personality quirk is a little bit funny, they pour it on thinking more is better. Remember how what's her name was shown as a problem drinker, which was initially funny, then every single episode they tried to use that same joke?

Which is one of my biggest frustrations with this series - the lack of restraint, and the inability of the writers (or whoever) to trust the audience to pick up on nuance or subtlety in characters. If something works, they will then beat it into the ground until it's annoying and farcical, instead of amusing. I don't think Meredith and Creed are the only characters left that haven't been overused (yet - btw is Meredith even really used at all anymore, other than to block a ball with her head?) - Andy, Oscar and Kelly are still characters I look forward to seeing - and I think Phyllis had some of the best scenes last week. The way she started cracking up during her line as really endearing.

I fixed the original post. I said Meredith when I meant Phyllis. I actually like Andy, he's a lot better than Dwight most of the time.