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erickman |
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hate to say it pov is playing the best game we see everyone goes to pov, amanda told pov 1st about the idol. pov is amandas new todd, an if pov was smart she
would do just like todd did to jury at question time.
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shoeless rye |
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Something else that could hurt her is the fact that everybody there knows she was F3 in China, and the indication on the rumor sites was she was going to win
there.
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erickman |
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shoeless rye wrote: yep good ole bluto hurt her this season, but she did brake big tom's record of longest on survivor |
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Schadenfreude |
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"Hey ladies, I'm sorry but understand, with these questions, I'm not trying to be a jerk but I really am looking for something deeper than I'm just giving you a million bucks because I like you."So Alexis has confirmed that Erik does not make the final. Not that I thought he would in any circumstances other than an immunity run, but stranger things have happened. Assuming that Erik probably leaves in fifth place, or best case scenario, fourth, let's look at the four ladies that are left in the picture. Amanda would presumably beat anyone that she faced. She has Ozzy, she has James, she may well have Erik (who would vote for Amanda because his mancrush Ozzy would want him to.) Jason has no reason to be mad at her specifically. Cirie likes her, should she be on the jury. Now, the thing that only James knows is that Amanda is unimpressive in her jury speech (hell, he voted for Courtney!) To be fair, given that Amanda has no blood on her hands, that might not matter all that much, except... Cirie's a smooth talker and very persuasive. So's Parvati. I think that the game is Amanda's to lose; that being said, I also believe that Amanda would probably have to win the final IC to make the final unless Parvati is feeling atypically altruistic or Amanda has some Svengali hold that would make everyone cheerfully want to take her to the end and lose (which, to be fair, Ethan, Tom, Brian, and Tina all had.) Cirie... now, what Cirie needs? Cirie needs Amanda to not make the final. She needs Parv and Nat as her opponents. If she gets to face those two, she could win this. If she has to face Amanda, she would probably not win. The thing is that Cirie is not as well liked as Amanda or Erik, but not as hated as Parvati, and I can see no reason whatsoever that anyone other than Alexis would vote for Natalie unless it's Ozzy voting for her to give Cirie and/or Parv the finger for not letting him win. I think Cirie can talk her way into the money, I really do, but by voting out Ozzy, she did make Amanda very sympathetic to the jury. Natalie needs to point out that she's an easy beat in the finals. None of the favorites would have any reason to vote for her, and neither does Jason whom she set up. She's playing for Alexis's vote only at this point. She needs to convince Cirie to get rid of Amanda. Parvati... the question is, how much does she want this? It's a catch-22: she can stay loyal to her BFF Amanda and get her ass kicked, or she can throw Amanda to the wolves, and have the jury use that as evidence that she's a deceitful, traitorous bitch, or the third option would be to hope that Cirie and/or Natalie dispose of Amanda for her. I kind of sense that Parvati has burned too many bridges behind her... although she might get more votes than Natalie, she couldn't beat Amanda, and I doubt she could beat Cirie. Now, the final three that was hinted in ep. 3 was Parvati, Cirie, and Amanda. Now, the question is this: are Parvati and Cirie, the two strongest strategic players, just going to roll over, pull a Colby, and let Amanda go to the final and kick their butts, or are one or both of them going to kick her to the curb and take Natalie to the end so that they have an actual chance at winning this? I think the latter, honestly. I refuse to believe Cirie would be that complacent. |
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Kirblar |
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But Amanda isn't NEARLY as threatening to Cirie/Parvati as she is to Natalie/Alexis. Look at how the Jury composition differs there.
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sunflower100 |
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Jedijake wrote: I think Alexis is a Parvati vote. However, she could see Parvati as a big time backstabber. The jury probably talks to each other about the game. James/Ozzy/Eliza would have a whole lot to say about how Parvati backstabbed them in the game. Parvati having several alliances might not look so good to the jury.Remember Parvati made an alliance with Alexis/Natalie and stuck Amanda in it. How is Alexis going to feel about Parvati's game play, after talking to the rest of the jury? |
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sunflower100 |
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Relynn wrote: I think it depends how upset Eliza is with Parvati. Remember Parvati is the one that basically told Eliza that the Favorites weren't sticking together. Eliza would probably see that as Parvati backstabbing her, even though they really never had an alliance. at least that was shown on the show. So I think Eliza's vote would either be for Amanda or Cire. Amanda does have an advantage in Ozzy/James talking her up to the jury. |
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sunflower100 |
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Relynn wrote: Both Amanda/Cire would fit in the likeable slot with the jury. Amanda is well liked on the jury by Ozzy/James. The whole jury would know how popular Cire is. |
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sunflower100 |
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I don't think it has been pointed out that Cire/Parvati might not have any choice but to go with Amanda to the final 3. There are only a couple of immunity
challenges left, and if Erik gets voted out Amanda could win those. It was pointed out on the last episode that the two biggest immunity threats are
Erik/Amanda.
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AnomyBC |
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Something else that could hurt her is the fact that everybody there knows she was F3 in China, and the indication on the rumor sites was she was going to win there.They only would have known that if they read the China spoilers, because Amanda and James weren't allowed to talk about where they finished. And I'm guessing most of them don't actually follow the spoilers. Probably Eliza does, and maybe Alexis or Erik, but that's probably about it. That being said, I do think that anyone who believed that she had won China would probably have been less likely to vote for her this time. I don't think anybody wants to see the same person win twice. |
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crocophile |
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Charity organizers - oh ya those people who take a hefty cut off the top of the donations, or people who really give of themselves to raise needed money.
Depends on how you spin it. Pagent queens are very good at explaining all they good they'll do. I'm sure everyone can make a good case. A plan to
explain the good they'll do with the money should be part of the Final TC prep.... If Natalie is a finalist - she's got Alexis' vote unless Nat
really fumbles it.
erik is right it won't take much digging to think Amanda had a real shot in China. Most probably knew it. However, if they really thought she had won China she'd already be gone. I think any Fave is going to have something of a disadvantage vs a Fan. Don't underestimate the "You've already had a chance" factor even amongst those who did. ETA - for those so inclined SP has a new cryptic message. Actually 2 because one links to another. http://resources.survivorphoenix.com/postnuke/html/index.php
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shoeless rye |
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AnomyBC wrote: I could be wrong, but I believe I read somewhere that in the very least all the faves knew she was F3 in China and was spoiled to be the front runner
before they left for the game.
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Relynn |
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People might think she didn't win because they asked her back. So perhaps knowing that she made the Final 3 (back to back) might make them more likely to vote for her. Because it's an impressive accomplishment. |
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KMInfinity |
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One point I haven't seen mentioned concerning Parv's arc. In the last RC, she was voted as the player "who thinks she's in control of the
game" and "never shuts up."
I'm thinking this is more fuel that Amanda (or (Cerie) wins instead of Parv. |
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ProbstFan123 |
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But then Parvati and Amanda disagreed about who should go home, and Parvati got her way...again.
Every time someone has questioned Parvati's control of this game, the editing has reinforced that Parvati is in control. And she has been since Day 1. |
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KMInfinity |
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True, but is that what the jury thinks?
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ProbstFan123 |
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I don't know, but since I think Parvati is getting the winner's edit, I'll say that the jury will think that way by the end of the season. :)
The editors could have totally trashed Parvati this season if they wanted to. They could have given Ozzy a Rupert edit to get viewers to sympathize with him. They could have not shown Parvati doing damage control afterwards. They could have left out Natalie's extremely negative confessionals in the post-Ozzy boot episode, which only made Parvati look better by comparison. They could have included Parvati in the negative makeout scenes early on in the season. They could have left out any scenes of Parvati being aware of her own game (talking about how she couldn't beat Ozzy or James in the final 3). So why give her such a well-crafted edit if she's just the next Steph or Boston Rob? I think Parvati is the winner, and I have since episode 1. If Amanda wins, then the editors did a good job of pulling the wool over my eyes. But I'm sticking with my Parvati pick until Jeff reveals the final vote, even if an "Amanda Wins!" spoiler comes along in the next few days. This season I'm going to trust my gut, right or wrong. Even though it will probably be wrong. |
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Kirblar |
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It's Parvati or Cirie. Both have had heavy focus this season, while Amanda's a "Lady Doth Protest Too Much" editing situation. Too much too
late.
I just hope that if Cirie's eliminated in third place, its due to a 3-3-1 tie and not due to James missing FTC and an emergency F3 IC being neccessitated. |
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donutsrule |
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I've just caught the last episode and one thing that concerns me about Cirie is the conversation she had with Amanda. Amanda asked if she would've
stuck with her and Cirie said she thought it would be those three until the end. This is making me feel that Cirie isn't in the final three.
Possibly, E wins immunity gives it to Nat, he's voted out. Nat wins next immunity and Cirie goes. 3-3-1 vote, the one vote being Alexis for Nat. Revote Alexis changes to Parvarti and Nat votes Parvati. Parvati wins. Or I could be talking out of my arse. |
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Relynn |
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ProbstFan123 wrote: Uh Parv was in the negative makeout scene...She wasn't making out, but there were tons of shots of her/James cuddling, and then there was the quote
with Jonathon/Yauman that said Parv is sleeping with James. In the makeout scene, Cirie/Jonathon were complaining about all 4 couples
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