might i point it it was NOT easy to find the hii. amanda dug and dug and dug and dug. she was that determined. because she was smart enough to know by then
that she was a threat. ever since ozzy got voted off, she was smart enough to know she was on the outs. i'm starting to admire amanda. i read somewhere
about cirie complaining and saying no one wanted to go to exile island.. and so on so forth. (think it was the week jason was voted off) cirie would have been
unhappy if she were on exile and for sure would not have worked for the idol. and from what cirie said, i was under the impression no one ever cared about
going to exile to find the idol. such was the motivation and desire of these people. (except for amanda) so i think amanda ought be given credit for working
her arse off finding the idol and managing to make sure everyone thought she was super sad about being the next to be gone, just so the blindside would go
accordingly. even if parvati didn't make the moves she did, ie stuck by her alliance, the favs would have had the nos. (can't remember if they had the
nos. at the merge but for sure eric would have voted with ozzy so favs + eric would have had the nos.) and amanda would still be here anyway. so amanda just
went with the flow and planned her moves according to what happened. was she expected to scramble around and worry about parv betraying ozzy when she thought
she had the nos? what supposed game play should we have expected to have seen from amanda when it would be expected that her alliance was strong and her side
(the favs) had the nos. and post-ozzy being voted of, it was obvious jason was hated by all and a threat, so amanda didn't need to attract attention upon
herself by doing anything extra, which she didn't. then came the week she knew she was vulnerable, and so she worked her arse off finding the idol. i
don't see why some people keep slamming amanda and saying she's worthless.
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Posts: 1628 (05/05/08 10:48 AM) Registered user |
They would be giving up food for the Jason one and the rest (Amanda didn't volunteer either) didn't feel like they were in danger. I doubt James
didn't want to go. He gave up the family RC. What else did Amanda have to do except look for the idol and since she knew she may need it, she should be
giving her all to find it. Anybody would who thought they were in danger.
And they could have targeted James who Erik did not know at all if Erik would not vote for Ozzy at the merge. You are right Amanda stuck with Parvati because she knew it was best for her game. That's it. If it wasn't I would assume she would have done something about it and since she didn't she cannot blame Parvati. Which is my point exactly. |
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Posts: 1251 (05/05/08 11:28 AM) Registered user |
By Natalie's own admission, she made a mistake letting Jason go look for the idol. They managed to pull that one out of the fire, but that should have been
a huge learning moment for everyone, that they needed to get their exiling strategy set before going to the challenge. At this stage of the game, unless there
is a solid pagonging going on, you need the idol. Even if you personally don't feel threatened, some ally/goat of yours does. Eg, Amanda probably
didn't anticipate James leaving over a little cut finger; if she didn't need the idol, perhaps he did.
(I can't believe that what we saw for the immunity challenge wasn't manipulated in editing. Less than a week ago, all the women clearly understood the concept of "anyone but James" in the immunity challenge, yet all of a sudden they turned into crabs in a bucket?) |
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Posts: 680 (05/05/08 11:33 AM) |
Katy Carney wrote:We don't know that. Besides, unlike Parvati, Amanda has never been voted out and will probably be the first Survivor player to make it to the end on two different seasons. So it wasn't just a fluke, and she's proven she can do it without Parvati. The success of Amanda's game was completely dependent on the moves that Parvati has made, aligning with the fans, backstabbing Ozzy, all of it worked to benefit Amanda.As far as we know, Cirie was the one who conceived and set up the Ozzy blindside. And Alexis has said that had Amanda not played the idol, she wanted the 3 fans to vote out Cirie and Parvati. There's a good chance Parvati needed Amanda as much if not more than Amanda needed her. It's why Parvati should win over Amanda. She's the one who worked for it.That's for the jury to decide, so if you're not on the jury, your opinion isn't really significant. |
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Posts: 1060 (05/05/08 11:44 AM) |
We don't know that. Besides, unlike Parvati, Amanda has never been voted out and will probably be the first Survivor player to make it to the end on two different seasons. So it wasn't just a fluke, and she's proven she can do it without Parvati. Sure, under completely different circumstances and with different people and without winning. But this time, no she couldn't have won with her game
plan. There is no way she could've beaten any combination of James, Ozzy and Cirie, at least one of which would have been in the F3 with her if she'd
gone with her game plan.
As far as we know, Cirie was the one who conceived and set up the Ozzy blindside. And Alexis has said that had Amanda not played the idol, she wanted the 3 fans to vote out Cirie and Parvati. There's a good chance Parvati needed Amanda as much if not more than Amanda needed her.Alexis also said she would go to the end with Natalie and Parvati, so that means relatively little to me. Parvati was the one who got the fan girls on her side. Cirie couldn't blindside anything without Parvati and her alliance, and Amanda couldn't win with Ozzy there. That's for the jury to decide, so if you're not on the jury, your opinion isn't really significant.Doesn't matter, the jury will agree with me. |
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Posts: 1061 (05/05/08 11:47 AM) |
From Buddytv:
If you had stayed in the game, who would you have taken to final three? Alexis: I would've taken Natalie and Parv. |
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Posts: 1750 (05/05/08 11:54 AM) Registered user |
New Press images are on SFever kind of point to maybe just one challenge?
Erik looks to have a good lead... could the giving up of the Necklace still be plausible? Maybe Erik gives it to Nat so she forgives him? Oh and the Immunity Necklace can be seen in the background in one of the pics. |
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Posts: 480 (05/05/08 12:47 PM) Registered user |
urrout wrote: They are stupid for trusting that the Parv would take them to the Final 3, Final 2. They could have easily told Jason to play his idol, and then the Fans could have picked off every single favorite, and had a straight shot to the Final 3... Along with the perfect goat in Jason. |
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Posts: 1634 (05/05/08 1:12 PM) Registered user |
The moves helped the fans. Why would they do something different? They got rid of threats and Jason was one of them. Amanda would have taken those threats to
the finals and lose big if she had her way.
How do you know Parvati wasn't planning on taking them to the F2 or F3? Amanda finding the HII stopped that. There is a reason for her wanting to keep Nat over Alexis even though they probably would have been able to boot Alexis anytime because of her knee making it unlikely she would win any ICs. Parvati was probably hoping they would take out Amanda for her like Parvati did for Amanda when Ozzy was booted. The point is Amanda has no back up plan except immunity and that is why she is not a good player. Cirie and Parvati do. I think they want the F3 of C/N/P. If Amanda keeps winning immunity then they go with her, not as good but at least their chances of getting to the finals are good either way. At least I would hope so especially after the last TC. Amanda is just a vote and back up plan for C/P. |
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Posts: 3256 (05/05/08 1:24 PM) Registered User |
Katy Carney wrote: I can't help it |
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Katy Carney wrote: But you're saying that she won't win against Parvati either, so what difference does it make? If that's the case, then helping Ozzy win would
have been the best plan for her, so they could share the money like Romber.
Alexis also said she would go to the end with Natalie and Parvati, so that means relatively little to me. That's why I added the disclaimer "there's a good chance." Even craig has conceded that Parvati could have been the next to go had Amanda
not found the idol. And I don't mind speculating since you've been making plenty of questionable assumptions of your own (e.g. Ozzy would have made it
the final 3 had Parvati not backstabbed him, it would have been a tie had Parvati not alligned with the fans, Amanda depended on Parvati, etc.).
Parvati was the one who got the fan girls on her side. Cirie couldn't blindside anything without Parvati and her alliance, and Amanda couldn't win with Ozzy there. Everybody has ridden coattails at one time or another. Parvati had to ride Danny Bonaduce's coattails just to make it past the first tribal council.
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LKMOSCAR wrote: Umm, I don't think they'd give away the big final twist in TV guide. Not saying it's gonna happen, but this doesn't rule it out. Anyways, Cirie isn't winning either way, F3 or F2. |
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But you're saying that she won't win against Parvati either, so what difference does it make? If that's the case, then helping Ozzy win would have been the best plan for her, so they could share the money like Romber.It's not a given. Amanda wouldn't win against Ozzy no matter what, but against Parvati/Alexis/Natalie she had a chance. That's why I added the disclaimer "there's a good chance." Even craig has conceded that Parvati could have been the next to go had Amanda not found the idol. And I don't mind speculating since you've been making plenty of questionable assumptions of your own (e.g. Ozzy would have made it the final 3 had Parvati not backstabbed him, it would have been a tie had Parvati not alligned with the fans, Amanda depended on Parvati, etc.).I'm not making those assumptions, you're confused. I'm not saying that stuff would have happened, I'm saying that, had things turned out the way Amanda planned/wanted, Amanda would definitely lose. Amanda wanted: No alliance with the fans with F5 favorites and MAYBE attempting to vote out Ozzy at that point. Maybe. That's why Amanda, if she gets any votes at all, will owe it to Parvati and Parvati's enaction of her own plan. Amanda's strategy failed and it was the best thing that could have happened to her. |
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From a TV Guide interview with Jason:
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Posts: 482 (05/05/08 4:02 PM) Registered user |
Katy Carney wrote: How exactly did Amanda's strategy fail, when her strategy had to change because of other's actions. Who says that Amanda would not have been able
to get Ozzy out at last say Final 6/ Final 7. And even if she didn't and let's say went to the end with James/Ozzy. Who says that James/Ozzy voters
wouldn't cancel each other out?
Getting rid of Ozzy certainly helps the Fans but getting rid of Jason does not help the Fan Girls. Let's say with Jason/Erik.. Natalie and Alexis would have had a straight shot at Final 4. Erik/Jason HATE each other, so one would probably be more than willing to vote uot the other at Final 4. Letting both girls into the Final 3. It would have been an easy ride to the Final 4 for both girls. And well Alexis isn't in the Final 4 now, is she. And Natalie is OUT if Erik wins immunity. Cirie/Parv/Amanda are certainly not letting her into the Final 3 if they can help it. So if siding with Parv didn't get them to the end (and why should they trust that they are the ones Parv is true to, then it was a very bad, bad, bad move for them. And the thing is people hate Jason, he's a goat. Which is one more reason why he'd be an ideal Final 3/Final 2 partner. The Fan girls were dumb. |
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Getting rid of Ozzy certainly helps the Fans but getting rid of Jason does not help the Fan Girls. Let's say with Jason/Erik.. Natalie and Alexis would have had a straight shot at Final 4. Erik/Jason HATE each other, so one would probably be more than willing to vote uot the other at Final 4. Letting both girls into the Final 3. It would have been an easy ride to the Final 4 for both girls. And well Alexis isn't in the Final 4 now, is she. And Natalie is OUT if Erik wins immunity. Cirie/Parv/Amanda are certainly not letting her into the Final 3 if they can help it. So if siding with Parv didn't get them to the end (and why should they trust that they are the ones Parv is true to, then it was a very bad, bad, bad move for them. And the thing is people hate Jason, he's a goat. Which is one more reason why he'd be an ideal Final 3/Final 2 partner. The Fan girls were dumb.
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Katy Carney wrote: How exactly did Amanda's strategy fail, when her strategy had to change because of other's actions. Who says that Amanda would not have been able
to get Ozzy out at last say Final 6/ Final 7. And even if she didn't and let's say went to the end with James/Ozzy. Who says that James/Ozzy voters
wouldn't cancel each other out?
Getting rid of Ozzy certainly helps the Fans but getting rid of Jason does not help the Fan Girls. Let's say with Jason/Erik.. Natalie and Alexis would have had a straight shot at Final 4. Erik/Jason HATE each other, so one would probably be more than willing to vote uot the other at Final 4. Letting both girls into the Final 3. It would have been an easy ride to the Final 4 for both girls. And well Alexis isn't in the Final 4 now, is she. And Natalie is OUT if Erik wins immunity. Cirie/Parv/Amanda are certainly not letting her into the Final 3 if they can help it. So if siding with Parv didn't get them to the end (and why should they trust that they are the ones Parv is true to, then it was a very bad, bad, bad move for them. And the thing is people hate Jason, he's a goat. Which is one more reason why he'd be an ideal Final 3/Final 2 partner. The Fan girls were dumb. |
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Katy Carney wrote:When has Amanda has ever said that she planned to go up against Ozzy? She promised Cirie and Parvati final 3, but we never saw her make any promises to Ozzy. As far as we know, her plan was to face them, which is what will probably happen. I'm not even convinced she wouldn't have participated in his blindside had they told her about it. We saw with her orchestrating the blindside of James in China that she is not a one dimensional strategist who will keep her orginal alliance together under any circumstances. She was mainly upset that she was lied to and left in the dark, not because her endgame plans were disrupted. |
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