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Yeah, the only person Parvati wants to get "snaked" by in "the end" is James.
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panurge46 |
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Cirie supporters are still holding on. Surprising. Cirie isn't winning.
- She was shown talking very heartlessly about James and Alexis. That was almost Lisi wanting Gary gone. - Parvati saying "You're in trouble" to Cirie as she went to the bench sounded a lot like Tom to Gregg. - She decided that Alexis would win over Amanda, a big decision but she didn't get a confessional to talk about it. - Her conferssional about not being afraid anymore, not seeing everything as a threat is an end of story confessional, not a game winning one. - Once James is gone, she gets to say no words of sympathy, only finds herself in an other impasse if Erik wins immunity. No talk of what then, only afraid of women having to eat each other. - For the first time in 2 seasons, Cirie is shown to be out of the loop, worse she is edited as being the one fooled because she opened the door to Parvati's diversion about Amanda needing to go wash herself and then Cirie put the target on Amanda at TC. - Cirie, the one who had the reputation of being the biggest jury threat, is shown afraid of Amanda's jury appeal. Need more? Cirie won't win and I've been saying that ever since we heard everyone saying booting Yau Man was idiotic. It's unfortunate but it is what it is. Parvati wins: - She got fleshed out more as a person and not just a schemer with her scene hugging James. - She continued to control the game even if others don't see it because Alexis left, not Natalie as Amanda wanted. - We constantly hear her thinking of the end game. - We had heard that her alliance with Amanda was unbreakable and she proved it while Amanda doubted her. - Camera shots after the reward made it appear as if Amanda and Parvati were in agreement with a plan for Amanda to go to exile island. So, Parvati wins... unless Amanda does! Remember how I mentioned that Amanda could have been partially hidden as an editing strategy? Maybe we missed that editing plan because we worked under these assumptions: - A Fan would win if they could use their knowledge of the Favorites' game to their advantage. - A Favorite would win if they could improve their game, surprising the Fans. We forgot that Amanda didn't fit into either scenario. In fact, she had the best of both worlds: She knew the Favorites' game because she was a fan herself. She had game experience but no one knew her game since they were in Micronesia while China was aired. As I've said, the editors could have chosen to hide Amanda's role to fit an unknown player, an unknown threat. Also, let's not forget that, even if Amanda didn't have great visibility, she was always part of the big story of the season, the couples' alliance. Now if that isn't enough to worry you, can I attract your attention to a very telling animal imagery: Erik had won the IC, Jeff had just said that one of the 5 women was leaving and we returned from commercial to a hundred of fishes swimming in confused circles, perfectly mimicking a women's alliance in turmoil. Then, we see a sea turtle swimming alone, straight ahead. If I recall, the tortoise did have a slow start in its race against the hare!! So, with shaken confidence, I still think Parvati wins... because Amanda will lose the jury vote! That's Amanda's weakness and all the talk of her being unbeatable is for the last surprise Tribal Council of the season. This season of blindsides can't end with an open and shut case. Well, probably not.
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Okay, here we go this week. A few of these are probably a little stronger opinioned of me than usual, but shoot me.
Alexis - MOR3 - Goes out without seeing it. Oh well. Surprised she didn't get more time, even as a decoy. Why the "triple threat" comment, unless beating her was a bigger success than you might think? Amanda - CPP4 - It's a MOR/CP style edit. No great depth other than strategy, but just enough to see her side and make it pay off at the end. Cirie - CP3 - She plans alongside Parvati. And her edit, in my view, is Yau Man's compared to Parvati's Earl, always behind when it counts. Erik - MOR3 - Okay, denny said this best. "Re: Erik. Just because he isn't willing to fall on his own sword in order to save someone else's game isn't negative, even if the girl has a really cute butt and nice tatas. " EXACTLY. No tine was intended. If you give one, you are reading into your placing yourself and passing judgement. The edit didn't do so to him anymore than Cirie. Not at all. James - MORP3 - I think the sadness of his forced exit would merit a P with regular viewers. I don't say it is a given for all, but the sick closeup of the fingers, the letdown of not having a choice, he left head held high, and the IV at the end cemented it. He was dead in the game, but didn't deserve to go that way. Natalie - MOR2 - Mayve UTR, but a boot target. It would have seemingly been easy to make her a season long character, girl gives great confessionals. Parvati - CP3 - Perfect spot. Loyal to Amanda. Earned Amanda's complete trust. Worried about her moves. we see them and get convinced she can't win. She will. (Now, OTH writes with sadness, for certain.) Winner: Have to edit my prediction. Parvati, Parvati. Michael |
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Relynn |
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panurge46 wrote: Perhaps though the show is going to add doubt about Amanda making the finals. Also, perhaps they want to remind us that last time Amanda made the Final 3,
she didn't do so well. They could have a confessional in the Final Episode where Amanda talks about wanting to do a better job at the FTC this time. And
there are two things if the tortoise is Amanda, JFP made a comment "about slow and steady wins the race"
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Indeed. Who knows?
But edgically, Amanda is 100% eliminated. Not 50% eliminated. Not 99% eliminated. 100% eliminated. |
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panurge46 |
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"Amanda is 100% eliminated" That's dogma and dogma isn't logic so cannot be edgic! |
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ProbstFan123 |
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I don't make the rules.
UTR,UTR,UTR,INV = eliminated If you don't agree, take it up with the head honchos during the off-season. :) |
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briand73 |
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I don't want to curtail discussion since things tend to get a bit slow toward the end of the season, but is anything really worth including in an Edgic
discussion at this point? All of the story lines and setup has been done weeks ago and the only thing left is to create doubt and muddy the waters a bit
before the finale. Anybody making or changing predictions at this point has missed the Edgic boat and is reacting to doubt and misdirection. Making a case
for Natalie, Erik or Amanda at this point in the season may be fun, but without the Edgic foundation from earlier in the season, it is just wishful thinking.
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ProbstFan123 |
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Well, as I understand it, edgic tries to pick the winner by the merge. So if that's the case then you CAN'T change winner picks at this point, or make
a winner pick for the first time. Even if someone does change their pick and it turns out to be right, if they made that prediction with only 2 episodes left
in the season it's not very impressive. And it certainly wouldn't count as an edgic victory.
Edgically speaking, the season is over. Now it's just a matter of waiting to see the results. But of course it's still fun to speculate and do ratings in these final episodes and see where the story is going. |
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We forgot that Amanda didn't fit into either scenario. In fact, she had the best of both worlds: She knew the Favorites' game because she was a fan herself. She had game experience but no one knew her game since they were in Micronesia while China was aired.It was be awesone if Parvati had the intuition that she could beat Amanda, despite not seeing her China jury performance, and actually pulls off a win. (1) There are player who can't win because no sane editor would edit the winner that way - for example, Nata;ie. (2) Other players edgic rules out based on past patterns of Survivor editing - for example, there is no reason why the winner couldn't be UTR1 in ep.1 just to change it up. However, Amanda's sucky FOUR opening episodes is pushing into category 1. |
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The argument panurge makes for Amanda's having been in the previous season, and therefore being somewhat hidden in
the first few eps of this season would indicate the need for an addition to the guidelines with respect to returning players if Amanda wins. So be it if
that's the case.
In this situation, if Amanda were to win it would be a combination of factors, including how Parvati LOST votes as well as how Amanda EARNED hers. The most interesting point for me this episode was that Parvati was said at the RC to be mistaken in her belief she's running the game. The scenes with her and Amanda tussling over the target, with Parvati's choice being the one to leave eloquently shows that others are mistaken if they under-estimate ability to run the game. At this point, Amanda has more chance to win than Cirie, whose edit felt like a true end of story presentation. Her comments at Jelly Fish Lake really do sound like the precursor to her elimination because her moment of introspection sounds like the What I Got out of this experience kind of summing up. We didn't see her get any kind of time with her Loved One. While we didn't get to see Amanda with her Loved One, we did follow her every move at Exile. I am definitely feeling the doubt about Parvati being able to win. Was she truly CP this ep? I see ratings for MOR and for CP, and I'm still not sure which she should get. Either would be good for her, given the content of what we did see. . |
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ProbstFan123 |
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The most interesting point for me this episode was that Parvati was said at the RC to be mistaken in her belief she's running the game. The scenes with her and Amanda tussling over the target, with Parvati's choice being the one to leave eloquently shows that others are mistaken if they under-estimate ability to run the game.Good point. Parvati has clearly been running this game from Day 1. Jonathan's warnings about Cirie leading Parvati to her ruin haven't happened (yet). In fact we are told that "Parvati has Cirie wrapped around her finger". And since a Cirie win seems unlikely at this point, it looks like Parvati is proving all of her detractors wrong. She is controlling the game. Whether the jury rewards her or not remains to be seen. But this season seems to be revolving around Parvati the way last season revolved around Todd.
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Relynn |
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AllMenAreIslands wrote: See the thing is that we aren't seeing a whole lot of doubt about Paravati winning I think. In the sense that we had Parv mention once that all those people are on the jury but that's it. They really aren't stressing that the jury might be angry with Parv. |
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SFC |
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Reasons Amanda CANNOT WIN
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Relynn |
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SFC wrote: How was Amanda catching that shark not CP? See that's where I think there is some bias, and what's interesting is that Amanda and Natalie, BOTH didn't have a confessional the first episode. Remember Tina, didn't have a confessional in the first episode of her season....And I think you could argue that Amanda was hardly UTR in Episode 2, since that was her makeout episode. It's not like viewers didn't know Amanda, or don't have an idea of who she is etc.. A la Alexis this season. (or Becky) Amanda isn't a Becky.....And I disagree that she's a Denise because we saw almost no strategy from Denise until the end, and even then not really. And in the first episode, they took care to remind us that Amanda blindsided James in China. She was the only favorite to get a strategic episode. As for Amanda not making changes, one could argue that Amanda's biggest mistake last time was her FTC peformance. Plus, there was talk that her social game wasn't great in China, but this season she's getting compliments from it.
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ProbstFan123 |
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How was Amanda catching that shark not CP?Why would it be? |
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Relynn wrote: Can you refresh my mind, what about her catching the Shark made her CP? Tina had an excuse for her season here http://survivorsucks.yuku.com/topic/10077. And All Amanda had in EP 2 was the Make out scen she had 4 sentances and 1 confessional, which barely makes a 2 in Visibility. And as for them showing her Targetting James in the Flashback, can you give me any other memorable event from her they could have shown? |
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colleenlover |
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Amanda catching a shark is irrelevant. She caught a shark. Hmmm, if it was Chet, it would be included too. Unless in a season where six or seven people catch
sharks, but only Amanda's is shown as a story point. Catching a shark is exciting.
Craig, what if Parvati had the insight to know Amanda bombed the Chine final TC? next, you'll be talking about how she walks on water and doesn't just pee in it. I love you, but I don't know why your fanatism drives me nuts. But it does. |
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Lemun |
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Been away and I just caught up with Survivor. I haven't looked through the boards yet...but here are my thoughts...
Initial thoughts: Dabu Alexis: MOR3 - Well at least the Amanda vs Alexis story arc that started at the merge makes sense now. I guess? What a waste of a character.. Chances: Eliminated. Amanda: CPP5- This is the ONE episode that I actually liked Amanda in. I have despised her through China and this season, but Lividmanda is having her week! She played a really good game this episode, and I'm impressed. If she didn't have such a weak opening, she could be a contender, but she is just a distraction I believe. Chances: Eliminated. Cirie: CPM3: Cirie had a lot of self aware moments while still playing a low key role. She had Ps and Ns, and managed a mixed tone this episode. Better episode this time around than last. Chances: Second in command. Erik: OTT2 - I felt like he was still his goofball self, but not overly P this episode, especially with Amanda's accusations at tribal. Could be Mixed or Static. Chances: Eliminated. James: MORP3- Just MOR. Very little fanfare for his exit. Chances: Eliminated. Natalie: UTR2- Nothin special. Chances: Eliminated. Parvati: MOR3- Cool down for Parv. Good episode for her. Chances: Winner. Winners 1. Parvati 2. Cirie 3. Amanda, 4. Natalie, Erik |
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