S-16 Edgic (editing and logic)

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OnlyTheHunter		#4341	[-]
Posts: 1496 (05/02/08 10:48 AM) Edgician Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	andre said I am certain Cirie was told about the idol either on the way to TC or it was cut for suspense given we never saw Amanda find it and she could have told her after it was found. Maybe from Insider, but the show touched on exactly the opposite, that she had to do what she did and was never shown with any knowledge. That is what Edgic should follow. Not the reality. If next week she has a confessional saying she knew, consider it then, else it's not the story we're being sold. Michael edited - whither the typist Last Edited By: OnlyTheHunter 05/02/08 11:08 AM. Edited 1 times.
Francois40		#4342	[-]
Posts: 2154 (05/02/08 10:58 AM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Since Parvati IS getting the best winner's edit, ask yourselves: who is the only person here against whom she can definitely win, based on what we've seen? The answer I'm coming up with now is Natalie. I don't even know how "Definitely" that is...we have seen PRECIOUS little of how Nat interacts with the others; all of the OTTNNNNNNNN stuff was in confessionals, and she had already said she "planned" to give great confessionals, so that is partly an act. We certainly can't attribute her INV/UTR edits to any "jury chances" since she is in fact there 24/7 like anybody else. I just can't see Amanda losing in a F3 scenario at this point, even though her edit eliminates her. Which means she goes out in 4th or 5th. There is still momentum there for Nat/Erik/Cirie to boot her next week. Or maybe it's because they really don't think she's running the game but want her to worry that maybe they want her to think that she's not runing the game, but really is, unless she isn't, whereupon she will be worried that she's not running the game when she thought that others also thought she wasn't? Maybe? I know this was tongue-in-cheek, but in fact, those questionnaires ARE all about second- and third-guessing, now that everybody knows that a) the scores will be based on "group opinion", and might in fact place their original vote with that in mind intsead of answering honestly, and b) In a coconut-chopping challenge, often people don't WANT to answer correctly and have to chop someone, so again, this plays with the kinds of answers people give in both stages. astroline, welcome to the club...you just need to start using emoticons The Edit button is our friend, as well.
briand73		#4343	[-]
Posts: 62 (05/02/08 11:04 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Francois40 wrote: Since Parvati IS getting the best winner's edit, ask yourselves: who is the only person here against whom she can definitely win, based on what we've seen? The answer I'm coming up with now is Natalie. I don't even know how "Definitely" that is...we have seen PRECIOUS little of how Nat interacts with the others; all of the OTTNNNNNNNN stuff was in confessionals, and she had already said she "planned" to give great confessionals, so that is partly an act. We certainly can't attribute her INV/UTR edits to any "jury chances" since she is in fact there 24/7 like anybody else. Are we talking strategy or Edgic here? Can't we say that her INV/UTR edits point us to the fact that she didn't do well with the jury (if she faces the jury)? We may not get a feel for what her chances are pre-vote, but I think we've got a good clue as to the results post-vote.
AndreSurvivor		#4344	[-]
Posts: 148 (05/02/08 11:13 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	OnlyTheHunter wrote: andre said I am certain Cirie was told about the idol either on the way to TC or it was cut for suspense given we never saw Amanda find it and she could have told her after it was found. Maybe from Insider, but the show touched on exactly the opposite, that she had to do what she did and was never shown with any knowledge. That is what Edgic should follow. Not the reality. If next week she has a confessional saying she knew, consider it then, else it's not the story we're being sold. Oh, I understand that, but given we look at editing, this factors in to what wasn't shown. But they most likely took an earlier conversation between Cirie and Amanda in order to build up the will-she-won't-she suspense of the situation, leaving the audience to wonder if it's Alexis or Natalie who'll be booted.
gretchensucks		#4345	[-]
Posts: 439 (05/02/08 11:20 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	AndreSurvivor wrote: OnlyTheHunter wrote: andre said I am certain Cirie was told about the idol either on the way to TC or it was cut for suspense given we never saw Amanda find it and she could have told her after it was found. Maybe from Insider, but the show touched on exactly the opposite, that she had to do what she did and was never shown with any knowledge. That is what Edgic should follow. Not the reality. If next week she has a confessional saying she knew, consider it then, else it's not the story we're being sold. Oh, I understand that, but given we look at editing, this factors in to what wasn't shown. But they most likely took an earlier conversation between Cirie and Amanda in order to build up the will-she-won't-she suspense of the situation, leaving the audience to wonder if it's Alexis or Natalie who'll be booted. They couldn't let viewers know Cirie was told because that would have killed all of the suspense. Cirie was probably told after Cirie promised Amanda that if Erik weren't voting for her she wouldn't.
Cassidy666		#4346	[-]
Posts: 7508 (05/02/08 11:35 AM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Exactly. Editors can't show a scene if it spoils the suspense of the vote so we can't take that as a strike against Cirie. Another thing, it's clear Amanda has votes locked up if she has to face a jury based on logic. Editing on the other hand barely gave her a smidgen of a story in the first half of the season. Therefore, there's a very good chance Amanda gets voted out before F3.
gretchensucks		#4347	[-]
Posts: 441 (05/02/08 11:41 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I don't think the editors wanted a strike against Cirie either. Reason being...they spent a long time explaining how she had no choice and they showed her promising Amanda that she wouldn't be doing this unless forced. They even ended the scene with Cirie offering to tie the vote and Amanda telling her not to. Cirie gets off without guilt.
fat little fingers		#4348	[-]
Posts: 5490 (05/02/08 11:52 AM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	flf, she responded to something Amanda said...she was not asked a question...I counted it as 2 sentences. Warrior, would'nt the edit intent to include such a self explanatory statement be the same as a JP question? The inclusion of any player statements at TC should be counted with the same formula, because the edit decision to include them are the same. IMHO (toothy grin)
Warrior		#4349	[-]
Posts: 2589 (05/02/08 2:01 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	flf, I suppose it could be but 1) It happens all of the time and I have always counted it by sentence count and 2) it would make her visibility more subjective and less quantitative...no? Adding 3 points would just make her a stronger 3 anyway.
getting real		#4350	[-]
Posts: 1187 (05/02/08 5:54 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Another thing, it's clear Amanda has votes locked up if she has to face a jury based on logic. Editing on the other hand barely gave her a smidgen of a story in the first half of the season. Therefore, there's a very good chance Amanda gets voted out before F3. The upcoming episode is our last chance to prevent her from having the longest outright presence in Survivor history. Certainly the longest presence of anyone who doesn't know the capital of China. **** More wonderful edited irony: Amanda apparently puts her hand up to go to EI; Alexis picks her, apparently as a favor to everyone else; irony works its magic. **** If the upcoming episode is the second-last one, my guideline of eliminating the person edited as likely to win comes into effect. This guideline has worked a treat the past few seasons. Oh, and Parvati and Cirie still ain't winning.
getting real		#4351	[-]
Posts: 1188 (05/02/08 6:04 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	The show really want the hidden idol to work, and it did here! Yes, but apparently it doesn't work at any other stage of the game, other than at F6! That's it! If you want to use it successfully at any other stage of the game, you can forget about it! Of course, Hogeboom's bastardized HII version doesn't count in this analysis.
JaMalle		#4352	[-]
Posts: 3880 (05/02/08 6:15 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	My ratings for last week: Jason- OTT5(P) Natalie- CP5NN Alexis- UTR1 Amanda- CP2 Cirie- UTR2 Parvati- MOR4N James- MOR3 Erik- OTT3P This week------- Parvati- CP3P Amanda- MOR4P or CP4P idk yet Cirie- CP3M Negative for not using her nursing abilities to help Alexis/James but positive for discovering a new self while on the reward. Alexis- MOR3 Natalie- UTR2 Erik- MOR2(N) James- MOR3P Very enjoyable episode. I yelled BATCHES when Amanad played her idol, and I don't even like Amanda! lol Sorry guys that I've been super busy. My internet at home doesn't work, but after tonight or tomorrow, I'll have my lap top up and running so I should be a tone more active for these last few episodes. I hope Parvati is still our edgic pick. And pleeeeeeeeeeease don't be distracted by Amanda's edit. The late bloomer edit is a sham. Oh, and she has an INV1.
BlakeB717		#4353	[-]
Posts: 889 (05/02/08 6:35 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I noticed a couple of things this episode that may foreshadow Cirie's elimination. -Amanda makes the cut/death sign with her hand to the jurors when Cirie is called to vote (lamb led to slaughter?) -Cirie gets the "taken something from this experience" confessional, which most winners don't get until the Finale.. and she also has changed herself, and the old Cirie had clearly been working. The new Cirie is out of the loop already (portrayed as out of the loop) -Rewarders were fairly ignored -I'm positive that all the girls said "Erik can't win this IC" in their confessionals, yet Cirie got it, and Erik won.. is Cirie's game starting to fall out of place? These aren't doubt, it's subtle manipulation that show that Cirie will eventually lose. I think. Edgically, Amanda cannot win. Logically, she's extremely capable. Amber also had a terrible start. She's eliminated in my book; she's just an underdog now. Let's not let the amazing LividManda thread creat a bias now! Parvati's edit is still great, but her CPs lately have been borderline MOR and her visibility has been quite low. However, she's been shown as thinking about the end game in all her confessionals, and has been hidden by all this late-game distractions, but we all know she's there and that she's playing a good game. A theme for her has been overcoming jury votes, but she has always been shown as thinking about them (which is a good sign, that she's not blindly making enemies) and got a P in my mind this episode by being shown crying for James and sticking by her best girl Amanda, who was also P this episode. Amanda got the distracting, large edit this episode, though, which also serves well for her chances. Winners 1. Parvati 2. Cirie (barely) 3. Amanda (LOGICAL, but edgically eliminated, and will not be on my contenders list) 4 and 5. Fans
colleenlover		#4354	[-]
Posts: 8095 (05/02/08 6:36 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	on a strategy level this season is nuts -it reminds me of Africa, when we joked on this board -Boran has majority and hands it to Samburu, but Samburu says no thank you, back and forth. Why Natalie threw the game away just to get rid of Jason is baffling -even with her female alliance. And sending Amanda to exhile on Alexis' part- if she sent Natalie and they were real fans they'd bluff their way to the end. These fans are just terrible players -editing simplification or not.
ProbstFan123		#4355	[-]
Posts: 10027 (05/02/08 6:59 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Oh, and Parvati and Cirie still ain't winning. Well, neither is Alexis. Or Natalie. So unless you think Erik is the winner, it's going to be one of the favorites.
frisbeehead		#4356	[-]
Posts: 12936 (05/02/08 8:02 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Alexis couldn't have sent Natalie to Exile Island, Natalie was off on the reward feast. Alexis had only Parvati, James, Erik, and Amanda to choose from.
colleenlover		#4357	[-]
Posts: 8096 (05/02/08 9:10 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Ohhhh, that's true. She had already sellected Natalie and Cirie for the reward. But she didn't think about exhile? Maybe just too excited. And with James, Amanda, Parvati and Erik as the options left, it's a hard call.
Jedijake		#4358	[-]
Posts: 5116 (05/02/08 9:12 PM) MESS member Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Seems that editing and jury chances tell completely different stories this season. My pick is still Cirie. However, things are VERY complicated at this point-moreso than they've been in a long time, possibly since before the first All Stars season.
redbuff		#4359	[-]
Posts: 9 (05/03/08 5:50 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Is it possible Amanda was puposefully given a slow edit start becasue we just saw her loose in China, and they waited to build up her winning edit in Micro? (and not get tired of her too quick if she is going to be our longest consectutive player)?
GretchenIsMyGod		#4360	[-]
Posts: 3078 (05/03/08 6:52 AM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	redbuff wrote: Is it possible Amanda was puposefully given a slow edit start becasue we just saw her loose in China, and they waited to build up her winning edit in Micro? (and not get tired of her too quick if she is going to be our longest consectutive player)? More possible than Erik or Natalie winning. But less possible than Cirie or Parvati winning.

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