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The current theory is that the events occuring back in civilization are being presented roughly in reverse order chronologically. (Definitely debunked now after the 2nd Jackforward)

Sayid and Ben:
• Oct 21 2005: Ben visits Iraq and tells Sayid that Widmore's man killed Nadia (whom Sayid had found and married). Definitely occurs after Sun's baby is born.
• Sayid working for Ben killing people - ongoing from Oct 2005 to ?

The rest (based on the reverse order of presentation):
• Michael and Walt make it to Manhattan, Michael ends up working for Ben on the freighter (this occured in current time not a flash forward).
• Rescue
• Sun has baby (July/Aug 2005). Hurley and Sun visit Jin's grave.
• Hurley returns to the asylum and is visited by Jack (Hurley didn't know that Jack was dealing with Aaron, so this is based on inference, not solid fact)
• Kate's trial, Jack testifies on her behalf
• Jack, Kate, and Aaron are living together.
• Jack goes to see Hurley in asylum after Hurley's doctor calls. Hurley tells Jack about Charlie's message that he can't raise "him" (possibly meaning Aaron) and that he'll get a visitor really soon.
• Jack proposes to Kate. She says yes. They're engaged.
• Jack sees Christian (his dad) at the office late one night, begins taking pills prescribed to him by Darcy.
• Kate comes home to Jack being drunk as fuck, reveals she was "doing something" for Sawyer. Jack implies he knows that he's related to Claire/Aaron.
• Jack grows a beard and abuses substances. (April 2007? Depends on newspaper prop which might not be accurate)
• Jack and Kate meet at night with their cars, Jack tells Kate they should go back. (Why did they need to meet in secret?)

WiscBadger95 wrote:

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GIAA, I just posted this in the epi thread, but here are two possible timeframes for tonight's Jackforward ... when the Yanks swept Red Sox:
August 18 - 20, 2006: Yankees took 5 from Red Sox at Fenway.
August 28 - 30, 2007: Yankees took 3 from Red Sox in NYC.

Yeah, good find. My guess is that it's the 2007 one, because it lines up better with Aaron's age (he'd only be a shade under 2 in 2006, which looks too young, IMO). Which means that Sun and Ben's FFs were fairly early into "the future" and the others *probably* take place closer to present time.

Actually, now that I think about it, it would make sense that TTLG takes place sometime in mid-late '08. Assuming that season 5 sort of shows us how the O6 get from where they are in the S4 FFs to getting back on the island (which, I assume by the finale of S5, we'll be in completely present time, which would be May 2009), having TTLG take place sometime in mid to late 2008 gives Jack time to FINALLY convince everyone to go back, and then have them arrive sometime in 2009, and then the series ends in 2010.

Or maybe I'm just going too based off of our time? I dunno.

Well, I think that pretty much solves it. Regardless of the other scores and crap like that, the primary focus of the newspaper (Sox/Yanks) indicates August 31, 2007, so I'm fine to roll with that until Darlton states otherwise.

Which means that Jack takes anywhere from 8-12 months to "hit rock bottom" (aka. his FF in TTLG), and then a minimum of, I'd say, another 8 months for them to get back to the island in time for S6? I dunno. I must be thinking way too far into the future.

Either way, it's good to have a fixed point in time. We should use 8/31/07 as one of the cornerstones of this timeline (just like the October 2005 date in Ben's FF) and have everything be relative to those dates, something like this:

November 2004-January 2005
• Michael and Walt make it to Manhattan, Michael ends up working for Ben on the freighter (this occured as a FB, but is used as a frame of reference).
• Rescue

July/August 2005
• Sun has baby. Hurley and Sun visit Jin's grave.

October 21, 2005
• Ben visits Iraq and tells Sayid that Widmore's man killed Nadia (whom Sayid had found and married). Meets Widmore in London and vows to kill Penny.
• Sayid working for Ben killing people (ongoing from Oct 2005 to ???)

Between October 21, 2005 - August 31, 2007
• Hurley returns to the asylum and is visited by Jack (Hurley didn't know that Jack was dealing with Aaron, so this is based on inference, not solid fact)
• Kate's trial, Jack testifies on her behalf (may have happened prior to Hurley's commitment)
• Sayid kills man on golf course, hunts The Economist (occured in winter, so either right when Sayid begins working for Ben, or a year or so later. May even occur after 8/31/07)

August 31, 2007
• Jack, Kate, and Aaron are living together.
• Jack goes to see Hurley in asylum after Hurley's doctor calls. Hurley tells Jack about Charlie's message that he can't raise "him" (possibly meaning Aaron) and that he'll get a visitor really soon.
• Jack proposes to Kate. She says yes. They're engaged.
• Jack sees Christian (his dad) at the office late one night, begins taking pills prescribed to him by Darcy.
• Kate comes home to Jack being drunk as fuck, reveals she was "doing something" for Sawyer. Jack implies he knows that he's related to Claire/Aaron. (This actually occured a week after Jack's visit to Hurley, but kept together for fluidity of logic)

After August 31, 2007 (around April/May 2009???)
• Jack grows a beard and abuses substances. (Originally thought to be April 2007, almost definitively disproven by 2nd Jack FF)
• Jack and Kate meet at night with their cars, Jack tells Kate they should go back.

pagonglover wrote:

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A question for the guys:

How long does it take for a man to grow a beard?

Depends. On the one extreme, I couldn't have grown Jack's beard if I never shaved EVER. I just can't grow facial hair. But I know some people who would have Jack's beard if they didn't shave for 3 days. Seriously.

But to get to the logical conclusion, I'd guess somewhere between 2-3 months for most guys without shaving at all?

I don't remember if it was RESCUE or the day they landed and had that press conference, but they were gone for 108 days before they were one of those two.

Which, for our frame of reference, puts rescue (I'm assuming that's what it was) at Saturday, January 8th, 2005??? That's if you don't count 9/22 as Day 1.

That all seems about right. I doubt that anyone questioned Sun's pregnancy. It's definitely conceivable that they banged at the hotel before leaving, and then she was just a little late when delivering. Happens all the time, does it not? The bigger question to me is how everyone immediately ate up Kate's story about Aaron. Surely there would have had to be some sort of documentation when the Marshall grabbed her that she was preggers.

So BJ, are you going to put the January 8th date as the day of rescue? I think this episode really cleared up a lot of the timeline for us post-crash.