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SenseiKreese |
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Neleh shouldn't have won because the jury didn't want her to win. End of argument. It's her own damn fault. If the jury hates you it is
because of something you did.
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colleenlover |
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Can we point out Neleh was moving heaven and high earth to go to the end with Paschal? In her ideal plan, this would have happened. Did she think she had the
shot against him? And if it was all about teamwork instead, why did she punish Kathy for it when she had stuck by them since episode four, was forced to vote
against one of them in final four etc?
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Mister Plum |
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SenseiKreese wrote: That's not true all the time. Christy hates Jenna bigtime but she's not bitter and she viewed everything as a game unlike the Bitter Tammy. |
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SenseiKreese |
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Well guess what? Tammy is one of the jurors who is deciding who wins the game. She has much more say over who wins Marquesas than Neleh does. It doesn't
matter if she is bitter or not. Neleh's sole purpose at that point is to A) figure out what Tammy wants as a juror, and B) give it to her.
Like I said, if Neleh lost, it is Neleh's fault. Working around an angry and bitter jury is just what winners do. Compare her to Chris. |
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Mister Plum |
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I think sometimes, luck comes in during the finals. It's not all Neleh's fault.
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SenseiKreese |
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Besides, Jenna didn't even need Christy's vote. She could have walked up there and told Christy to kiss her ass and it wouldn't have made a
difference. She still would have won 5-2. Neleh absolutely needed every single vote she could get. If she didn't realize what Tammy and the General
and John were looking for, then she sucked as a finalist. All she needed to do was win one of them. None of them liked Vecepia!
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Mister Plum |
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Nuff said. You're right. No one liked Neleh too except for Paschal and maybe, Zoe and Vecepia.
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Quiddity |
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I think its unfair to say Neleh should have lost becuase she only started playing on Day 24. Well thats when she needed to start. She won the first 4 IC's, and then on her new tribe it was easy vote off the non Rotu people. I mean what "game" did you really want her to play? Vecepia had to play on Day 1 cause she actually went to Tribal Council. and even that what "game" did Vecepia play "Follow Rob and Sean" yea Amber called she wants her "game" back. For following Jerri/Colby, cause i know the comments Amber followed Rob after Marquesas are coming I think Neleh should have won, just because of John's comment that she should have apologized, and if she had he would of voted for her. Neleh did not need to apologize for shit. So i think considering thats why Neleh lost [cough a bitter jury cough] shows she really deserved to win. I hear all you complain "oh bitter juries suck" well this was obviously a bitter jury, via John's comment. The only jury that you could ever consider a bitter jury is certain members of the All Stars jury who were so upset over real life relationships with a certain someone who voted them out. Marquesas jury wasn't bitter. Thailand jury wasn't bitter. Neither was Fiji, Guatemala, etc... If someone votes against you, its because you didn't do a good enough job to earn their vote, as simple as that. Every single person who lost the jury vote has documented reasons why they didn't receive that a juror's vote. I guess the only real exception to that is Christy, depending on which theory you believe regarding her vote. |
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Robert Qld |
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I don't really think the jury on Marquesas was that bitter. Only Tammy was. Robert & John both tried waving the carrot in front of Neleh to take, but
she didn't. So yeah, she lost two votes fair and square because she didn't play their game, but she didn't loose it out of bitterness.
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TheLurkerSpeaks |
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Actually, I think Tammy and Vee did get along for the most part on a personal level even if Tammy had some resentment on how the Rotu 4 were called out for
playing the game too hard when Vee was doing the same thing. Tammy's speech was for good television - going for the Susan Hawk Most Memorable Final TC
Rant Award - but she respected Vee and didn't respect Neleh. After Sean, she was Vee's next most likely vote.
As for Vee's game, she started out targeting the clear weak link of the tribe in Sarah, but she was overruled by the majority. When she attempted to form an alliance with Hunter, he refused to start thinking in terms of alliances that early (foreshadowing the Vanuatu blunder of the young guys rebuffing Lea). As a result, Vee started looking for other options in Rob and Sean. She even helped set up Hunter's downfall by promoting him as the tribe leader, a position that didn't sit well with either Rob or Sean. When the switch occurred, she did not follow Rob/Sean, but pointedly refused to go along with them in their refusal to work as hard as the Rotus. She ingratiated herself enough that she became the unofficial fifth member of the Rotu 4 after Gabe was ousted. When the events following Rob's boot showed she wasn't as secure as she had hoped in that new alliance, she joined with Sean and Kathy in their overthrow of the alliance. From there, it was a matter of preventing the reconciliation of old Rotu while her former Rotu 4 allies were ousted one by one. At F5, she helped provoke the argument that assured that Sean would be the target instead of her, and she had wisely prepared all game for the Fallen Comrades challenge at F4 (so well in fact that the producers realized they couldn't use it anymore). And obviously, she cut the deal to get herself to F3. While she didn't have the greatest final TC ever, she was able to articulate her game much better than Neleh, and she did give the jury what they wanted - acknowledgement of the distastefulness of turning on Kathy at F3. |
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TheLurkerSpeaks |
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Oops - double post.
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04/30/08 4:19 PM.
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tullfan2 |
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SenseiKreese wrote: Tammy, The General and John voted for Vecepia rather than Neleh for the correct reason which is that Vecepia played the better game period. Neleh telling the jury that she didn't start playing the game till day 24 was nearly as bad as Gabriel telling John and Tammy that he was not here to play the game. We saw how John and Tammy responded to Gabe's comment when they voted him out. Whether Gabe was telling the truth or not, they couldn't trust or rely on him. It was a similar situation with Neleh. Either she is really naive or she is not owning up to her gameplay. In either case she loses 3 votes. Perhaps a 35 year old Neleh Dennis would gain enough maturity to be able to win the jury vote. There are some contestants (Boston Rob, Clay, Twila) who could reach the Finals 100 times and lose the jury vote every time. |
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Survivaholic |
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SenseiKreese wrote: X Thank you.
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The Very Insane Shark |
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I just watched Zoe's boot episode and the only way I can describe that woman is Wow. Just wow. What a delusional old hag. Her sucking up the new alliance and her distancing herself from Tammy and Rob was embarassing to watch. And I couldn't help but get the inkling that she somehow views herself as....sexy?! That awful 'I play hard and I work hard' motto, combined with the sickening lustful look she gave the camera at the end of her final words, topped off with that disgusting black dress she wore at the final tribal council makes me think the woman has no comprehension of just how deeply unattractive she is. She looks like the Joker for Fuck's sake! Please. Zoe was the best player of her alliance, if only because she at least tried to hide it from the others instead of flaunting it in their faces like John did. And as for her "sucking up" to the dominant alliance when the Rotu 4 crumbled. Oh god...she's trying to jump off Rob and Tammy's sinking ship and stay in the game?? HOLY SHIT! HOW DARE SHE!?
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veeisforvictory |
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she also smartly voted for John in the last TC so if there was anybody who was gonna be able to successfully jump ship, it would have been her...only problem
was Tammy had immunity and she was way much more of an IC threat than Rob, or else she may have been able to buy a TC or two, she should have been a skinny,
frail little thing instead of an amazon to play that strategy...
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Mister Plum |
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X to those who love Zoe or atleast like her for being not so mean.
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Quiddity |
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Zoe's 'jumping ship' and backstabbing a loyal ally in John (and her subsequent crap about how she was never in an alliance, distancing herself from
Tammy, etc...) made her even less trustworthy and resulted in her getting voted out before Robert. She played moronically at that part of the game if you ask
me.
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SenseiKreese |
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Well to be fair, it's not like she had much of a chance either way. Once the "forgotten five" took over in Marquesas, she was doomed. At that point, all that was left were the details. |
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Mister Plum |
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At least she tried to sway to Neleh's alliance.
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Quiddity |
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Which essentially meant that from a game standpoint, instead of having 2 allies and 5 enemies, she had 0 allies and 7 enemies. She wasn't winning the game
either way, but the manner in which she played meant that she wouldn't even have a chance of cracking the 5 as the last member of a pagonged alliance
(which probably would have been a smarter way to go about things for Kathy at F6), or going on an immunity run then. Instead it ensured that every single
person in the game voted her out.
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