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Okay OTH, I can understand the logic of wanting to stick to with the person you picked at the merge...but for one...how the hell did that come to be Alexis,
and for two, given how absolutely shitty her edit has been (NATALIE is more interesting after this last episode), how can you honestly even consider her a
contender, when you eliminated Cirie in episode 1 for having two confessionals?
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A Bartholomew |
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Alexis knows the favorites' game like she said in her confessional. She is running the show. Clearly she wins.
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OnlyTheHunter |
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I picked her after episode 5, Kitty, not the merge. By the merge, I would have said Parvati. But I strive to do it by episode 5, and it made sense to me
then.
As far as a contender now. Well, I never gave Alexis an INV, had her CP in episode 1, and when judging Erik, James, Natalie, Amanda and Cirie out, if it isn't Parvati, the only one left is Alexis, if the past history of the "loser's story" somehow comes to pass. (I'm not saying it will, but...) It simply goes to the perfectly timed, Edgic worthy first break moment by Alexis at the beginnning of the series. Something that stuck out then, was clearly manipulated to be inserted, and technically hasn't come to bear fruit yet. Maybe it never does. Maybe it was simply to start people thinking about the theme. But funny, little things, like the spirit stone in Vanuatu and the Art of War in China, mentioned by the opening of their seasons, all reappeared in the finale in the benefit of the winner. By the first break then, we had either Alexis beating the favorites or Parvati changing up and winning it all. Simply put, Alexis, Parvati. Parvati, Alexis. Michael |
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EPISODE 11 RATINGS | ||
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Survivor: Micronesia - Episode 11 (Ratings Watchdog)
Here are my final ratings for Episode 11.
Dabu Tribe
Alexis: UTRN1 She barely registers as an UTR1, but the negative comes from the gloating with Parvati after the Immunity Challenge, being part of the "Black Widow Brigade," and for having that cauldron-stirring scene - all of which, I felt, reflected negatively on her. That was the overall impression I got even though I admit it is a small impression.
Amanda: CPP3 I think Amanda was definitely complex in this episode. She had insightful confessionals that made observations about the game, her position in it, and not wanting to let Parvati and Cirie think she doesn't trust them. She was also involved in some [strategy] discussions with James, so we definitely got into her head in this episode. I think the positive tone is weak, but I think there was a bit of a sympathetic feeling towards her for losing Ozzy, being betrayed by Parvati, and then being somewhat on the outside of the girl's alliance.
Cirie: MOR2 I'm sure that she's probably going to end up with UTR2, and I know that she only had that one confessional about James' finger, but she was quite involved in the strategic discussions with the women, and I'm pretty sure she was the one to suggest searching in Jason's bag. However, she seemed to escape most of the negativity of the other women, and was not shown outright gloating like Alexis and Parvati were.
Erik: MORP2 I could understand OTTP, but this time, it seemed like he was only MOR. He got the confessional about his birthday, but it wasn't totally one-note, because he recognized his position in the game and the fact that he could be vulnerable on his birthday. I guess I can see how that contributed to him being more of a hero for winning on his birthday, but it didn't seem like the edit emphasized this. I won't argue for it either way.
James: MOR4 I'm really surprised to be giving him a 4 in visibility. He had only one confessional again, and it seems like a 3 would fit better, but I guess he was around with Parvati and Amanda. Still, he is definitely insignificant to this season and the only thing that he did was develop Parvati's story more with her admitting she's taking girls to the Final Three, James revealing that Parvati betrayed Ozzy at Tribal Council, and then voting against her.
Jason: MOR4 I give him the same rating as James, although I'm tempted to add a positive tone for feeling sympathy towards him that all the girls were out to get him. He shouldn't be N just for his stupidity, but I don't think there was enough tone for him to get M either. He definitely wasn't OTT though, so I guess MOR it is. Not the greatest boot episode for him - most of his visibility was on Exile Island.
Natalie: OTTNN5 Okay, I've really thought about this one in terms of whether she should be CP or OTT, and I've decided on OTT. She did show some self-awareness by admitting that she was coming across as a ruthless, stone-cold bitch, but look at every confessional: she basically talked about screwing over Jason and blindsiding him with absolutely no remorse, and she didn't just state it matter-of-factly. She had to add in all the other things like "floss my teeth with his jugular," and those kind of lines. I think she was very one-note in the episode and I really don't see the complexity. As for her tone, there was only one minor positive thing in the entire episode, which was that she said the girls wanted Erik to have a good birthday. Still, I think her negative tone was WAY more severe than any of the women, and I'm supporting a double negative in this case. (For the record, I did NOT think that Stacy should have been OTTNN in Fiji Ep. 5)
Parvati: CPN3 Same old rating for Parvati. I originally thought she was just MORN, but after watching the episode again, the complexity was there. Another thing I pointed out during the episode was that the recap gave Parvati all the credit for blindsiding Ozzy and ignored Cirie, even though in the episode we saw Cirie mostly organizing it. That is very telling. The editors are obviously trying to inflate Parvati's strategic game, and even though it could be because Parvati takes the fall for it and Cirie wins (1% chance), I think it's far more likely that it's because Parvati wins (99% chance). We shall see.
POSSIBLE WINNERS:
1) Parvati
ELIMINATED BY EDGIC:
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craig |
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Parvati doesn't have the editors imposing spider or witch symbolism on her as a negative spin. She plays around with such metaphors herself in a fun
amusing way, What's negative about stirring a cauldron or giving your alliance a cool name like BWB?
My reaction - hey Natalie, thanks for finally being entertaining. Calling Jason a bitch and some of her actions were enough for N, but the metaphorical hyberbole was kinda cute and funny. Natalie is now 2nd in the Sucks poll, just a few points below Cirie. |
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craig wrote:I think the tone comes in when they over-show the cauldron stirring. I could see calling it fun and toneless if it was mentioned once, but we got to see the cauldron stirring multiple times and we got to see them stop and re-start. It is sort of the same reason we can reasonably give a NN rating to Natalie. They showed her being evil and having fun with it. Fine, easy OTTN rating. But then they kept showing it, and kept showing it. One time is questionable manipulation. Twice is sure manipulation. Three times is sledgehammer-manipulation. |
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MasterDarkNinja |
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Alright, here's my ratings, a ton of strategy happened this episode.
Strategy Ratings
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Kitty Pryde1 |
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How is CIRIE becoming a ditraction when Parvati continuously gets equal or MORE of the spotlight?
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GrenadeJumper85 |
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Yea, the "Cirie as a distraction" thing is puzzling when Parvati/Natalie/Erik come off as bigger distractions to me.
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I'm back in town...and the tally's a-comin...
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Overall Rankings
UTR1Alexis Jones OTTP2Erik Reichenbach MOR3Jason Siska OTTNN5Natalie Bolton CP3Amanda Kimmel UTR2Cirie Fields MOR4James Clement CP3Parvati Shallow Episode Rating Averages (From most to least) (INV=1, UTR=2, CP=3, MOR=4, OTT=5) 4.78Erik Reichenbach 4.78Natalie Bolton 4.11Jason Siska 4.00James Clement 3.22Amanda Kimmel 3.17Parvati Shallow 2.56Cirie Fields 1.89Alexis Jones Episode Tone Averages (From most to least) (NN=-2, N=-1, neutral=0, P=1, PP=2) 1.056Erik Reichenbach 0.333Jason Siska 0.278Amanda Kimmel 0.167James Clement -0.056Cirie Fields -0.167Parvati Shallow -0.222Alexis Jones -1.556Natalie Bolton Episode Visibility Averages (From most to least) 4.94Natalie Bolton 3.83James Clement 3.50Jason Siska 3.11Parvati Shallow 2.89Amanda Kimmel 2.44Erik Reichenbach 2.00Cirie Fields 1.00Alexis Jones Season Rating Averages (From most to least) (INV=1, UTR=2, CP=3, MOR=4, OTT=5) 4.06Ozzy Lusth 4.00Mikey Bortone 3.82Kathleen Sleckman 3.79Jonathan Penner 3.56Chet Welch 3.53Joel Anderson 3.41Erik Reichenbach 3.29Johnny Fairplay 3.25James Clement 3.24Jason Siska 3.19Cirie Fields 3.09Tracy Hughes-Wolf 3.03Eliza Orlins 2.80Parvati Shallow 2.70Amanda Kimmel 2.58Alexis Jones 2.50Ami Cusack 2.43Yau-Man Chan 2.25Mary Sartain 1.65Natalie Bolton Season Tone Averages (From most positive to least) (NN=-2, N=-1, neutral=0, P=1, PP=2) 0.371Tracy Hughes-Wolf 0.329Yau-Man Chan 0.324Kathleen Sleckman 0.311Erik Reichenbach 0.209Eliza Orlins 0.096Ami Cusack 0.054Mary Sartain 0.048Alexis Jones 0.041Jonathan Penner 0.000Johnny Fairplay -0.002Natalie Bolton -0.069Ozzy Lusth -0.104Cirie Fields -0.106James Clement -0.106Jason Siska -0.123Amanda Kimmel -0.170Parvati Shallow -0.289Joel Anderson -0.494Mikey Bortone -0.525Chet Welch Season Visibility Averages (From most to least) 5.00Johnny Fairplay 3.79Joel Anderson 3.71Ozzy Lusth 3.45Jonathan Penner 3.26Cirie Fields 3.24Mikey Bortone 3.20Eliza Orlins 3.01Tracy Hughes-Wolf 2.92Kathleen Sleckman 2.68Chet Welch 2.65Parvati Shallow 2.63Jason Siska 2.55Erik Reichenbach 2.17Yau-Man Chan 2.16Amanda Kimmel 2.13Ami Cusack 1.99James Clement 1.99Alexis Jones 1.93Mary Sartain 1.07Natalie Bolton MOR differencial (Sum difference from middle of road for total season) 0.44Eliza Orlins 0.47Tracy Hughes-Wolf 0.56Cirie Fields 0.72Jason Siska 0.72Parvati Shallow 1.17Erik Reichenbach 1.23Kathleen Sleckman 1.25Amanda Kimmel 1.29Jonathan Penner 1.37James Clement 1.40Chet Welch 1.47Ami Cusack 1.48Alexis Jones 1.61Joel Anderson 1.73Yau-Man Chan 1.73Mikey Bortone 1.84Ozzy Lusth 1.88Mary Sartain 2.29Johnny Fairplay 3.28Natalie Bolton Edgic Losers (Percentage of possible loser votes) 100.00%Natalie Bolton 100.00%James Clement 94.12%Erik Reichenbach 94.12%Amanda Kimmel 82.35%Alexis Jones 23.53%Cirie Fields 0.00%Parvati Shallow Edgic Winners (Percentage of winner votes received) 70.59%Parvati Shallow 17.65%Cirie Fields 5.88%Alexis Jones 0.00%Erik Reichenbach 0.00%Natalie Bolton 0.00%Amanda Kimmel 0.00%James Clement Close Calls -- none -- Total Voters: 17 (16 on winners/elims) |
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TheLurkerSpeaks |
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So it seems everyone is reluctant to pass tone judgements so we end up with a bunch of neutrals? Ugh! I really dislike moral relativism. (Once again, the
quality of the gameplay should not be a factor in determining tone, but rather the ethics as shown.) If they emphasize the necessity of a move, that may tend
to reduce the negativity of a particular tactic, but that was hardly the case in this situation, where Jason's boot was completely unnecessary, especially
in the way it was brought about.
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OnlyTheHunter |
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TLS, it was necessary if it's simply "women vs. men". Do what they did, and in any case they strike A) a man, and B) the idol. Mission
accomplished, whether it be Jason or James departing, as opposed to birthday boy who they wanted to keep. The blindside was necessary to remove the idol, in
the way the story was presented. From Cirie being freaked about YM finding it, to Ozzy and Jason searching for it, fear of the idol is a theme that continued
here.
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Survivor 16 "The Curse Of The Idol"
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craig |
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How can Natalie's season tone average be so high, and her season visibility average be so low, if that figure includes the current episode?
Jason should have been Mixed - a somewhat sympathetic figure mixed with N levels of stupidity. |
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9RedWing19 |
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Natalie: 10 straight episodes with "1" Visibility, then a 5. Impressive. Sorry to see that she got an "NN", but it was close.
Only people that come to mind with that kind of edit (at least in terms of all the ones) are Darrah and JennL, but neither of them ever had a big visibility episode. |
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astroline wrote: Actually Candice DID confirm it.
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Dictatorship |
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I am flabbergasted that people still think that Alexis is the winner. She had ONE good episode - the premiere. Besides that, she's basically had a
precisely similar edit to Catalie, minus the OTTNN. Every former winner has had tone by episode 7. We're going into episode 12, and Alexis has had none.
She's also had 8 UTR or INV episodes. The only winner even near that is Danni with 6 UTRs (Amber also had 6, but I don't trust the All-Stars Edgic
chart). Alexis is a complete non-entity in the game - she could potentially make the final 3, but she will be like Becky, Cassandra, and Amanda before her in
the fact that she would be absolutely decimated.
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TheLurkerSpeaks |
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OnlyTheHunter wrote: Except that it wasn't necessary to remove the idol as Natalie even mentioned since it was irrelevant to her whether it was played or not. It was only
necessary to remove Jason, for which there was no real reason given during the show (except that it apparently gave Natalie pleasure to show how ruthless she
could be). And the bag searching scene was definitely negative as we got to see the disapproving looks of both James and Erik - none of that scene was
necessary since we later see Jason admit to Natalie he has the idol anyway. The episode was a flaunting of power by the women over the men, who were not
fighting back, and the only ones who give any thought to the victims are Parvati (whose damage control is labelled as self-serving and fake by James) and
Amanda (who as a reluctant participant isn't fully grouped with the core of women in charge). That's not a competition - that's an oppression,
especially given the vindictive confessionals given for no obvious apparent reason. If we were meant to view things from the women's point of view, we
certainly wouldn't have seen them compared with witches and spiders, both of which convey highly negative imagery.
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BlakeB717 |
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Dictatorship, only one person is voting for Alexis, and that is OTH. He stands my his winner choices until they are eliminated. We have to
respect that. Hey, it's just a contenders list; let's not get all huffy!
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