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PoChop wrote:

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I doubt the rules are just the result of expectations of honor in playing a game.

But if thats the case, why does Ben feel like he's owed...and moreover, allowed...to "change" the rules himself now?

Going to manipulate smokey was something Ben felt he could never/should ever do before...but did it. Killing Penny is something Ben felt he could never/should ever do. But is doing it.

If we are talking meta-universe rules of things happening for a reason, course correcting what is supposed to happen, knowing the course that events should take...we all know that Ben/Jacob/Locke firmly believes these things to be true. They are the embodioment of bowing to the will of the "island" and doing what they are "supposed" to do. So for Ben to toss that faith out the window so definitively after Alex's death doesnt make much sense to me if he has so much knowledge of how things are supposed to be.

So, the only thing that makes sense to me in this case, is that Ben and Widmore are going through events that for some reason they have already seen transpired before. And they are both "playing a game" to subtlely change the course of events to create a different outcome. Desmond, is acting as our prep course to this idea. He, on a much smaller scale, is slowly easing us towards what the end game is. Its inroducing us to the ideas of looping back across timelines, trying to change event after event to work towards a specific goal that on a previous loop didnt happen. In essense, saving charlie's life was Desmond's game. He lost.

Ben and Widmore seem to be playing a similar game? They both have the knowledge of seeing how a timeline of events have transpired, they both have, or have had, the ability to use the powers of the island to travel along timelines and to teleport with that knowledge and attempt to change the course of events to enact a different outcome. It may sound bizzare, but its nothing that we havent already been inroduced with Desmond...but instead of a normal guy just coming to temrs with new abilities and trying to control it...we have two crazy guys who have been doing this forever and turning it into a sport, not so much to have fun..but because there is no way out of the loop and must make a sport of it to stay sane.

And, as someone else mentioned, Ben cant kill Widmore because...and we know this...you cant be jumping around like that and changing courses of events unless you have a constant, or you die. Its perfect irony to have these guys who are so at odds to be each others constant.

So, we have these two guys given the ability of unusual powers, who have seen the course of events lead to a specif outcome, and are now going back and trying to change it for a different one. And everyone else we see who has been on the island are in on it, they just dont realize it like these guys do. Heck, that certainly makes the "good" list of people and "bad" list of people that Ben keeps talking about make sense, right? Its these guys picking sides.

Who is Jacob? I dunno, seems to be another knowledgable person just like Ben and Widmore. Maybe there always has to be a 3rd party, all knowledgable, objective referee to keep the balance.

What really bothers me, what i worry about as we get towards the end of the series, is how they are going to further explain all these concepts to the audience in a non-confusing, semi-rational way. Cause i dont see this story leading to any other outcome at this point. They are seriously setting up the endgame to be way out there...combining fate, time loops, time travel, corrections and recorrections of events, teams of good and evil pitted against each other, and the desperate attempt to control a singular outcome.

Then again, maybe its just simply purgatory.

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