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What bothers me the most is that AnneZob is a spoiler thread poster, according to Oo (whom is the perfect model for how spoiled people should behave in edgic), and is clearly pushing their ideas based on whatever they're saying in spoilers in order to have edgic agree with them since apparently spoiler-people do not (since Cirie support is a "minority idea" in there, again, thanks for spoiling jackass).

You can love the player, but you cannot defy the edit.

My arguments here are based on the edit, insider and interviews. Not once have I attempted to say anything about an actual spoiler unless the episode was already past. As for my support for Cirie. I'd like to point out that my first post on this board was on Edgic on Cirie, was right after Episode 3 and there I already said that Cirie was the winner (Date 2/23/8), http://www.survivorsucks.com/topic/25237?page=52

I'm pretty much a newbie to Edgic though I am a long-time reader. Maybe it's just because China wasn't that long ago, but I'm thinking that Cirie is possibly getting the edit of a female mastermind winner. I'm just seeing shades of Todd in some things e.g. the inclusion of some confessionals that a lot of viewers (including a lot of people in edgic if I remember correctly) take seriously as "arrogant" even though for both Todd and Cirie there is a strong hint that they are jokey and are not taken seriously. This is to set up the whole "mastermind" and "in control" thing.

You know now that I think about it, I was probably one of the earliest people around here, if not the first person who picked Cirie as the winner. My first post to the spoiler board was nearly a whole month later than my Edgic post here and the thread I posted on in the spoiler section didn't even start until the day I posted my first edgic post and there were absolutely nothing on Cirie in that thread before the time I made my winner pick in Edgic. The point being that I picked Cirie as the winner in Edgic long before I started on the spoiler board.

I wouldn't have even mentioned the spoiler board here except I wanted to be honest with people. I didn't want people to accuse me of trying to "hide" the fact that I frequent the spoiler board. Then the only reason why I even mention the "minority opinion" thing about Cirie (which is about that vague spoiler I mention below) is to assure people that I am not deriving my opinion from spoilers. This is to make sure that people don't give me any special credibility *just* because I read the spoiler board and thus think my opinions come from a spoiler and thus I am more likely to be right. Maybe I should have just been shifty, not mention the spoiler board at all in the hope I could "hide", or maybe even have just created a second user name. Anyway, apparently being honest about things and making sure that everything is out in the open is not good form around here.

But let's make it clear to everyone now in case they still don't get it. If you think Cirie is going to win because there is a spoiler explicitly saying so (there is one very very vague winner spoiler that people can't agree how to interpret including on if it even points to who wins and with lots of people butting in and telling people in that thread, they are idiots and reading too much into things out of a vague picture which doesn't mean anything) then think again. If you think I have any extra credibility because of spoilers, I do not. There is no explicit spoiler supporting a Parvati win or an Alexis win or an Amanda win or a Natalie win or anyone's win. Anyone who is saying anything about anyone winning does not have any extra credibility from spoilers. If you want to abandon your Cirie win pick because of that then feel free. You can rest assure that if there was a real Cirie spoiler instead of a picture that people can't even agree whether it refers to the person who wins or not or is something else entirely then I would NOT be posting ANYTHING about Cirie here. That's the exact reason I didn't post anything about Eliza depite the fact that quite a few people had her as a possible winner until she got booted.

I do like to see that even though you attempt to insult me in your last bit you just further what I tried to say - I am not basing my opinions here on spoilers. In fact there have been times when I went against what the spoilers said.

If you don't like my interpretation of the editing then attack the logic behind my arguments and the editing. If you can't then just shut up. I do wonder though if you would be as bitter if I was say supporting the person *you* think will win. To paraphrase Cirie, if I was supporting the person you wanted me to support, would we even be having this argument? I wouldn't make that suggestion if it wasn't for the fact you seem to only target Cirie wins supporters.

I mean I have some pretty not so nice opinions of why I think Parvati supporters are supporting Parvati (it's too do with the after-effects of Survivor China) but I don't voice them because I believe in trying to keep the discussion on the level of the argument, logic and edit than attacking someone personally (though if you start it rest assured I can give as good as I get). Look if someone is influenced too much by emotion or illogic then their argument should be shit and thus should be easy to attack. If you think that I am leaking an actual spoiler (and I don't count "there are no real Cirie win spoilers" as a spoiler) then send me a PM and I will remove it.

The most amusing thing about your rants I found was the bit about trying to "protect" undecided voters from the "evil" Cirie supporters. It's so funny I have to quote it,

But enough is enough sometimes! I'm not going to sit here and watch the Cirie-fans convince the undecided, that's just not who I am.

Wow. Won't someone please think of the children. I think the undecided people can make up their own minds you know, them being intelligent thinking human beings. Especially since I've never tried to hide anything about the position I'm coming from and I constantly assure people I am *not* working from spoilers so I don't get any special credibility from reading the spoiler board (though apparently my attempts to be open and honest about that you don't like either. You just can't win...) . Maybe, just maybe if something I says convinces someone Cirie is the likely winner, maybe it might be because it makes sense or sounds logical. Just a guess on my part. You can be rest assured, the innocent little undecided people can take care of themselves. I do not, I repeat do not, have supernatural powers of persuasion. What I wonder though is why the complete indignation and rage at the mere possibility that some undecided people might be swayed to think that Cirie is the winner? I mean if an undecided person wants to think that Parvati is the winner, then fine with me. Whatever.

Do you realize how condenscending your posts are? First, people who think Cirie wins should just shut up because it is inevitable that Parvati wins and now "undecided" people need to be "protected" from unsavory influences by you? It's just not who I am to stand aside and trust they are able to make their own judgment! Do you think they are children or something? Do you realize how insulting to the intelligence of both groups you are?

Anyway, you can think what you want to think. If you don't like my posts then just ignore me. Rest assure I will ignore you from now on (alas there is no ignore poster function) unless it is a post about logic and editing. I have time for reasoned argument and logic. If you want to delve into personal attacks then feel free to rant and rave and throw temper tantrums, call names etc. on your own. I still have a great chuckle over the protecting the innocent little undecided voters from the evil Cirie wins supporters bit though. I mean, god, that is hilarious. That is the 2nd funniest thing I've read on this board ever.