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Phoenix1269 wrote:

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colleenlover wrote:

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I don't get all this bickering at all. It gives me a headache. talking about strategy and who will vote for whom -when we only have 44 minutes of a three hour day shown to us, and times three hours by nine players= 27 hours. We don't know anything, only what is shown to us.

For CL, Parvati or Cirie wins. How can I say Parvati doesn't lose big or win big -both setups are there. Again, at this stage it's a coin-flip. I need more info, plain and simple. What's the worst that happens? I didn't pinpoint who would win a game show? I can live with that disgrace.

A lot of people at sucks like to fight day in and day out, it must be exhausting.

i love you CL.

agreed agreed agreed

ETA: As an aside on tone re: Cirie and Parvati... both yesterday and today I has a couple of appointments and work etc, and survivor came up... and everyone (so between work, massage, hair and friends... we are at about 20 average survivor watchers), ... every one of them said they can't stand parvati, and felt she was really coming off as irritating and negative and entitled and princessy. On the other hand... they are all enjoying Cirie... they thinks he is smart and playing a great game. AND.. this surprised me.....everyone was DISAPPOINTED that Ozzy got voted off. When I asked who they thought was responsble... they all said that while they knew it was Cirie's plan, they couldn't fault her for it... she's playing smart, but they blamed Parvati for breaking her original alliance.

Just thought i'd include this for interest sake... sometimes I forget that the average viewer sees things and feels things that we over analyze to death and ultimately miss the overall intended story or tone.

I really enjoyed your post. It is very accurate. This is my second post and I still do not understand how the ratings work here, so I speculate soley on the edited tv show. I am a news producer for my local radio station and have my MFA in RTF (Radio, Television, and film). Since all of my family, friends, and coworkers watch survivor, it is a source of conversation. In fact, one of my coworkers turned me on to this website. Anyway, my family and friends are average viewers and they think Pavarti seems entitled and cannot stand her. They love James and Ozzy, but don't think they can win. They think Cirie has the best chance because she is playing the smartest. These comments are based on what the editors showed them.
My coworkers and I,on the other hand, have a different take on the editing due to the fact that we edit news stories for a living. When a show's filming has been wrapped, it is the job of the editors to FIRST view all 936 hours of footage (probably in 72 hour increments) to establish the w's (who, what , when, where,how, and why). This is how they edit the basic footage for an episode. SECONDly, the show's producers and writers (yes, reality shows have writers) create a theme and storyline that will entertain the viewers. Remember, the most important reason these shows are on TV are for ratings, so this is the most manipulated. This is where the writers "create" the main character(s). The hero(ine), villain could fit the role of more than one person, but it depends on who wins or makes it far. This is where it gets tricky because we are sometimes mistaken and assume one actions meant something else. Personal biases can judge how a person actually perceive the "characters".
THIRDly, the supporting cast is created. They are supposed to prop the main characters (heroes and villains). They help set the tone. Sometimes, the supporting cast member gets lots of screen time because their demise is approaching or they are very entertaining or great "go-to people" (give great confessionals). FOURTH, music and imagery are added to the "storyline" for tone as well. Triumphant music, sympathy music, mocking music (when Jason found the "idol", etc). FINALLY, information about the winner is manipulated to not give the winner away, but to show the audience why the winner deserved to win. You see major strategic actions and conversation. They get key episodes, but most of the "story" is about the theme related heroes and villains. This person may be the hero, but usually not. This person plays the supporting cast member, but receives confessionals that are game related in EVERY episode. The producers look at the edited footage and story for final approval. The producers are meticulous to not give away the obvious winner and to make sure that the character appears to be what the writers created so there is no ambiguity in the story telling.

So, according to the rules of basic editing (I know that this is not the rules and ratings for edgic, but I could not find a more appropriate site or forum) here is my speculation:

MAIN CHARACTERS: showmance pair and Cirie
HEROES Amanda and James (sympathetic music when James talked about the fans "should be dead"; constant shot of Amanda's doe eyes;
James getting angry at the challenge in which Eric drops her on her head, Amanda in near !+#++ after learning about her new alliance-sympathetic
music; Sympathetic music when James talks about being unappreciated for staying up all night tending to the fire- lets face it, the powers that be
love James and Amanda so the fire scene was shown to show Parvati as negative.)
VILLAINS Ozzy and Pavarti (TPTB love Ozzy but they had to show him as a negative unsympathetic character or the viewers would be upset
at his inevitable blindside and may lose viewers and money; Ozzy manipulated as insensitive towards Cirie re: the boat- Cirie's confessional has
sympathetic music so we are supposed to side with her; Ozzy talking about how if Chet,Eric, Tracy blindside him, he will jump into the water
naked, Ozzy perceived flirting with Alexis, Ozzy bargaining Cirie and Chet with Joel when the tribal mix-up first happened, making the fake idol
and laughing at Eliza when she played the fake; talking about food in front of hungry people.
Parvati talks about not flirting, but is shown flirting, talking about pee water, people not in her alliance are dead to her; Jason is a "loser", put
Amanda in an alliance to benefit herself and not take her "friend's" perspective into account (Amanda is shown very hurt), talks about how
Eliza is "looking at her" in a mocking tone, use of the word "obnoxious" to James.
WINNER Cirie (Parvati could still win if the theme ends in redemption and we start to see her evolving, but she lacked a game related confesional in some episodes). Cirie has had a game related confessional in every episode, even if it was "as long as it is not me" to be kept on the radar; her
edit has been consistent; she has not been too negative with the other players -When she argued with Johnathan and had her confessional right
after that, sympathetic music was playing; Yau Man is a beloved "character", but we got no confessional from him as that would make Cirie more
negative; her one major source of conflict is not on the jury; we don't have to get inside her head every episode because she is strategic, not
emotional; her mantra -"don't take anyone at face value; I don't trust anyone; as long as it's not me" . Parvati's " I didn't come here not to win this
time" does not sound like a winner's quote to me. In fact it sounds like the kiss of death in reality show "I didn't come here to make friends, I
came to win". Cirie's "as long as it's not me" has proven to be quite effective. If Yau Man had stayed in the game, at one point it would have
been her and she did not want to chance that. During that episode, Parvati was a target, but we got no confessional from her about her strategy or how she felt - not good for a winner. Then, when Joel wanted to get rid of the weak, she got rid of Joel. She did not have to make any major
plays until the last episode because she felt as if she was in no danger. In fact the best winner's quote was from JFP "slow and steady wins the
game" which is what Cirie is doing. Why put that quote in? JFP was voted out. Parvati is the opposite- too many alliances, hot pickle,
damage control- nothing about this is slow and steady. Yes Parvati has end game confessionals, but they are make as many alliances as possible, then make a decision as to which members I will backstab. With Cirie, she made a final 3 alliance in episode 3. She is going to lay low and have the pawns take out the players that are "not me". When a piece gets in her way, she is going to eliminate it. There is nothng wrong with this strategy. Compare this with Parvati's. She made alliances with multiple people who she will have to turn on. People may respect her gameplay, but if Cirie is in the final three with the only people she promised (Amanda and Parvati), Cirie could easily say I made big moves that advanced me further in this game without breaking promises. I am sorry I voted you out, but I made you no promises. Amanda could say she did not break any promises (she did to Jason). Parvati could say I did it because it was strategic. Which do you think would be well received? (rhetorical, of course) Parvati's edit reminds me of Dreamz's.

Any way, thanks for taking the time to read my long post. Yau Man was my favorite contestant, so if Cirie wins, I don't think that I will be happy,
but I have to admit that she and Parvati are the only two that have been consistent in the editing as getting to the finals with Cirie winning. I look forward to reading your ratings each week. I am glad I was turned on to this site.