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crzypunk2004 |
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I'm starting to think a Amanda/Cirie/Parvati F3 as well, the 3 made a F3 alliance way back in ep 3 and it hasn't been brought up since then.
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fat little fingers |
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DAR: Ah, but at what point in the season do you make this "prediction"? F-3?, f-2? There's a lot of story to shape the characters between now and the final jury. One ep and one sentence can change everything for a player. My point is, by merge, you can't go by the story as presented to predict the outcome. Blake: Parvati's throwing a leg over James. Call it what you will. |
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Wc3Fanatic |
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Wow, Blake is so condescending. What does he want us all to say? "Yes, we agree, Parvati wins, end of discussion"?
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GrenadeJumper85 |
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Wc3Fanatic wrote: Finally! I thought I was the only one! |
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AnneZob |
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It is quite possible that Parvati's efforts to win are tied up in several major moves, which moves cannot have more said about them besides showing them now, and then hearing how she explains herself in front of the jury. The thing is I have looked for Cirie negativity for a long time. Real Cirie negativity as in people putting the hate on her on the show or off in interviews. Episode 3 was what made me start to think seriously that Cirie was the winner. I got the exact same feel for her that I had for Todd. One of the key things about Todd was despite so many people saying he was too negative to win they didn't really show people putting the hate on him on in the show personally or in interviews. The show kept on saying "Man he's too negative to win." but post-boot interviews kept on saying "We really liked him." The requisite bitterness to Todd was not there. That's what tipped me off about Todd's negativity being fake. So I looked for real Cirie hatred amongst the players to see whether she really was a Todd. They are not shown on the show as hating her (talking about how horrible she is, spewing bitterness etc.) and off line its a case of "Cirie was really sweet and nice and I loved her and she was my best pal on the island." The negativity that we see from Cirie is *edited*. Like Todd it does not have a basis in actual hatred/bitterness towards her. We are told Cirie is negative with the implication that the other players see her as negative too but we are not *shown* that the other players see her as negative. For the two recent two jurors Eliza was gushing to Cirie and said personally she hoped she wins and Ozzie was like "No I don't blame Cirie." Even people Cirie screwed over like Ami and who was clearly edited to appear to be negative to Cirie said in their post-game interviews they loved Cirie. In fact even in Exile Island people she booted expressed no animosity to her and even love and admiration. The point is if her negativity is a result of editing Survivor history shows it is unlikely she would face hate on the jury. That is the difference with Parvati's negativity. Parvati is shown with people the potential jurors putting the hate on her e.g. Amanda. And the negativity is supported off the show in interviews as well e.g. Eliza saying she hopes Parvati doesn't win and Ozzy saying that if he finds out Parvati voted for him he will screw her. We even have James talking about how he doesn't like her that much any more. Basically Parvati's negativity is *real* because it is shown has having real consequences in the way other players perceive her. Moreover the fact that so many of the players who leave the game so they love Cirie despite the negativity we see on the screen from her to them is also very Todd like. We hear things but obviously she isn't letting it filter to the people she is saying them about and she is very capable of acting nice. Hence I think she will be able to keep her negativity down in the jury phase. As to why we are getting the negativity about Cirie, as I suggested back in Episode 3. This is how they would likely to edit a female mastermind. A bitch. Also masterminds in general have got negative edits. As I said it fits in with her edit. When choices are made about how to portray Cirie or the tribe she is on, fluffy feelings are consistently discarded for cold, hard strategy and pure toughness. She is also shown as consistently being in control. That's also a large advantage Cirie's edit has over Parvati's. Cirie while negative is *consistent*.
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colleenlover |
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I don't get all this bickering at all. It gives me a headache. talking about strategy and who will vote for whom -when we only have 44 minutes of a
three hour day shown to us, and times three hours by nine players= 27 hours. We don't know anything, only what is shown to us.
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Jedijake |
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Cirie might get Eliza's vote, but no-one else's. There's got to be a reason we've seen so much negativity from Cirie.Wow, there must be something I'm not seeing. I saw the negativity between Cirie and Jonathan WAY back, but nothing since then. Sure there were a few snarky, sarcastic remarks, but those were the same kinds of remarks that endeared us in EI. Cirie getting no votes except for Eliza? Wow, that's a bit harsh, isn't it? I was thinking that Parvati may only get one vote, if that. I don't think that Amanda will be in the final 3. We are seeing too much of Amanda's reaction toward Parvati's decisions. I think that is being shown to set us up for Amanda's response in the jury. I'm thinking Cirie-Parvati-Natalie in the final 3. Why Natalie? I think the final 3 twist has not been popular so, to appease us, we actually have a final 2 with a third person who is a non-issue. If you have a 3rd person who is not in contention (like Becky and Cassandra) then we have a final 2 in reality. Dunno-just a thought. |
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Die Apokalyptischen Reiter |
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fat little fingers wrote: Not that much of a story, if you really want to use editing and logic.
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AllMenAreIslands |
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AnneZob, again good arguments. You're beginning to convince me that Cirie wins. I want Parvati to win because I
have her in the office pool
Since this is a thread about editing logic, and how we each interpret the editing, we're all bound to have different views and want to convince others of the correctness of our views. I for one am enjoying the discussions. Sorry, cl, but for me that's part & parcel of what Edgic is about - having these great discussions. |
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AllMenAreIslands |
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Jedijake wrote: Jake, my suggestion re Cirie getting only one vote is IF she were to let loose with some of the negativity we've seen her display mostly in the
confessional. Sense of entitlement? Check (remember her thought about people should be offering to carry her around in a chariot?) Her views on Ozzy making her
help row to the other side of the island and being arrogant etc. Her thoughts about the Fans in general being intruders into HER space. I know there have been
more, but those just come to mind at the moment. If at the final TC she were to let her guard down and let some of that out, it could turn people against her.
However, it could be that regardless of whether or not Cirie manages to maintain the smiling exterior at Jury, she could still pull enough votes to win because
of the kind of game Parvati has been shown to be playing.
If in addition to everything else Amanda is tossed at F4 (or earlier), then that would be enough to cost Parvati the game no matter how much she tries to
woo her ex-allies with talk of outwitting etc. Eliza, Ozzy, James & Amanda would be enough votes for Cirie to win.
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Seyz |
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lol now Natalie in the final 3 would be something. Becky was kind of unexpected (based on pure editing) as someone who was going to make it to the finals, but
Natalie? Natalie, would be really unexpected.
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JaMalle |
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Nice nice analysis on Cirie's tone Anne. : }
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Die Apokalyptischen Reiter |
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JaMalle |
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Now that Ozzy has finally been dispatched, what is to happen with the edits/stories of Erik/Jason? They're the two who has been connected heavily to
beating Ozzy. In fact, Erik's first confessional was all about beating Ozzy. Well, he's done it, so is his story over with? The same could be said
about Jason with the edit he's received the last 2 or 3 episodes. Now that he's the only "God-like" player left, will we see an immunity run?
Erik has turned into a completely fluffy character. I think we'll see more occasions of his naivety in the near future, with him probably getting the boot soon. I know one thing: 3 people were left out of the vote and they ALL blatantly lied to Jason. I can't wait to see how things are handled in the after math of the vote. So yeah, just a few questions I was wondering about. |
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getting real |
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Obviously I don't know what America interpreted, but it's what the editors wanted America to want. I figured that was assumed, sorry. The way editors toned Ozzy's crew made it clear they wanted America to see them fail this week. It is this cultivated desire to see them fail that applies to all of the favorites - bar none. Maybe I'll change my thought on a rewatch, but Jason's full edit as buffooner tends to keep crossing ones fingers from being a devil moment. He'd fall for anything going into this. Egging on the idiot is only truly awful when you have multiple confessionals taking about screwing him. The only one who did was Ozzy. Not Cirie, not Alexis, not anyone else. Come on, don't overthink.Screwing someone over is not negative in itself. The negativity comes from appearing to think that you can accept a gift from someone, screw them over and then absolve your responsibility for those actions by performing a meanigless ritualistic gesture. It didn't matter whether Jason deserved what he was getting; what mattered was the gross rationalisation number the perpetrators did on themsleves.
Parvati as shown to us weighed her options, gave them thought. Explained them, even. She was not portrayed as Ozzy was, going after someone maliciously.Her "they're dead to me" and "I want him gone... he's a loser" comments and her treatment of Eliza are ample recent proof of the portrayal of her malice. If your predictions are true, AMAI, I think Amanda will come 2nd.Can anyone stand the thought of Amanda becoming the new record holder for the most prolific presence of in Survivor history? |
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AllMenAreIslands |
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It would not bother me if Amanda came 2nd. She actually would be improving her result over last time
getting real said: "It is this cultivated desire to see them fail that applies to all of the favorites - bar none." Maybe there's a tie? It's just that other than Cirie and Parvati, nobody has had an edit of substance. Okay, maybe Erik is the closest in terms of visibility and "getting to know you" kind of stuff. What I've gotten from this recent episode is a further lesson in playing this game with friends, rather than strangers. There is a definite sense of expectancy from some players that because you developed some kind of post-game relationship with people, or even just share the knowledge of how this game operates, you should be entitled to be exempt from being blindsided or otherwise outwitted. I would not have expected Ozzy to be a Lex 2.0, but it appears that he is. |
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GrenadeJumper85 |
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Jake, my suggestion re Cirie getting only one vote is IF she were to let loose with some of the negativity we've seen her display mostly in the confessional. We all know Cirie isn't that dumb to voice her opinions outside of confessionals like Parvati stupidly did to Eliza the episode before. Especially during this stage of the game. |
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craig |
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Cirie smiled when Ozzy was booted, Parv was poker-faced, and as a result Ozzy (at least initially on Insider) blames Cirie most for his boot.
"They're dead to me" - what is that but a colorful metaphoric way of saying "they are outside my alliance?" Parvati is a girl who gets into hot pickes, who compares warm water to pee, who expresses feelings of disgust and betrayal as "feeling like she wanted to throw up on Jonathan's face." But there is nothing nasty or personal about this, it's just colorful. Alexis's chances of doing a Danni took a downturn last episode, the way the editing was making fun of her in the cookie scene (which was her one big scene). Her triple threat comments didn't go all that well last episode either (with Cirie putting a target on her, and her referring to Eliza accidently in the past tense). Danni may have been UTR but was always solidly P. Not Alexis - the great contender for a fan win. Natalie at least proposed the deal to Jason, all Lexi did was cross her fingers. There was no Fan vs Fave perspective given on Ozzy's boot either. It was Girls vs Boys, or New A vs New M. |
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briand73 |
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Is there anyone that can provide a screen capture of Alexis crossing her fingers during the promises to Jason? It isn't that I don't believe everybody
who is saying she did it, but when I watched I thought it was Amanda. A screen capture would help put my mind at ease on the topic.
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BlakeB717 |
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Blake: Parvati's throwing a leg over James. Call it what you will.Oh, LOL! That's very cute, I love it! --- Wc3 and GreJay, come on. I'm not being condescending. I'm trying to make it clear that the essay-length posts on why Cirie wins are absolutely driving me nuts, and that I'm just going to skim past them. I don't like that edgic this season has turned into a "a love this person, so they deserve this rating, and oh this one, and oh this is why they win, and oh I hate this person, so I'll give them this rating, and this one, and this is why they don't win..." it's turned into a popularity contest. Most of the people who were here during Fiji when I first came that are still here are of course as excellent as always, but it's a lot of the newer posters in edgic that are giving me a migrane. I am definitely not opposed to newcomers, whatever makes edgic flourish, but this season I don't think people are even reading the first post of this thread, doing their homework on past seasons edgically (like I did before I got involved in edgic), or most importantly looking at the show from an editors point of view. Their intent. It's just become very disheartening for me, but it may be because I'm not the same "happy-go-lucky" poster I was back in Fiji and most of China. Stress can get to ya! So I apologize, because I'm nothing like some of the things I say. But enough is enough sometimes! I'm not going to sit here and watch the Cirie-fans convince the undecided, that's just not who I am. I completely respect people offering other views for other players, but when it's just full of stuff that makes no sense/is clearly biased, then it isn't worth my (or edgic's) time. What bothers me the most is that AnneZob is a spoiler thread poster, according to Oo (whom is the perfect model for how spoiled people should behave in edgic), and is clearly pushing their ideas based on whatever they're saying in spoilers in order to have edgic agree with them since apparently spoiler-people do not (since Cirie support is a "minority idea" in there, again, thanks for spoiling jackass). You can love the player, but you cannot defy the edit. |
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