S-16 Edgic (editing and logic)

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Cassidy666		#3361	[-]
Posts: 7362 (04/11/08 9:29 AM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	colleenlover wrote: cl pukes. Cassidy joins in sympathetically.
Warrior		#3362	[-]
Posts: 2541 (04/11/08 10:30 AM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	4. Warrior, Alexis had three confessionals in the first part of the episode and one confessional when she arrived on the merge beach (Malakal). The last confessional was just about the better beach, but the three early confessionals dealt with "the game starts now Oo, the camera was on her 3 times during her second confessional, her name was on the screen once and she spoke 5 sentences so I only gave her credit for 1. The third one that you spoke of they did not show her name, she spoke 3 sentences and I counted that as 3. Two more points wouldn't change her rating of a 3 anyway... Last Edited By: Warrior 04/11/08 10:50 AM. Edited 1 times.
Lemun		#3363	[-]
Posts: 312 (04/11/08 11:26 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I was at the beach yesterday in the most beautiful weather since last summer, so I just caught this episode on OnDemand. How sad. Is there anyone else to really root for? Natalie FTW! I haven't read the rest of the thread yet, but here are my initial ratings: Initial thoughts: Dabu Alexis: MOR4 - Where did she come from?! Everywhere I looked, there was an Alexis confessional, Alexis tribal question, Alexis camp scene, Alexis reaction shot. It was all to weird to have a nothing character be all over the place like that. I actually thought she was just being given screentime because Amanda's strategy would have worked and she would have been gone. Chances: Eliminated. Amanda: MOR3- I thought this would be a OTTN episode for Amanda, but I was wrong. The jealousy angle wasn't even negatively slanted. I actually felt she came out looking better this episode thatn Parvati, who has definitely screwed over herself and Amanda. Chances: Eliminated. Cirie: MOR2: She is in the best position without a doubt. She has a simple strategy and is not overplaying. She has the distractions, key strategical moments, and the personality scenes to make us stay interested in her character. Chances: She wins! Eliza: OTTP5: I think Eliza's chances went way down this episode. I know we got the reason why she went home (poor social game), but I think her edit was definitely positive tonight. I was rooting for Jason and Eliza, the underdogs. I really was hoping she would stay, and thought she had a chance with Amanda trying to eat Alexis. Oh well, she will be good for the jury. Chances: Erik: OTTP2 - Ozzy's monkey is a one note character. When he is onscreen, it is OTTP. I think he being edited as this season's sweetheart oddly enough. Ozzy and Erik = Rodger and Elisabeth? No, but close enough in this day and age. Chances: Eliminated. James: UTRP2- Whenever he gets screentime, it always has a positive touch. Chances: Eliminated. Jason: OTTP4- Now captain and lone member of team naive underdog is all on his own. We know he is dim, but tonight's episode was not malicious towards him. I felt like rooting him on, especially against the majority alliance (which oddly enough, composes the rest of the Dabu tribe). Eliza's final play, outing Ozzy, may actually save Jason for awhile. I think he can go far and sneak into the finals if he plays his cards right. Or, his story arc is just plain over. Chances: Eliminated. Natalie: UTR1- I want to know Natalie. I think she has more personality than Amanda, Alexis, and Ozzy combined. UTR1 Chances: Eliminated. Ozzy: MOR4- I have to watch again to get a grasp on his edit, but I do think he screwed himself over by revealing that he had the idol. He will be taken down sometime soon I think. Chances: Eliminated. Parvati: CPN5: She does not get the N for snaking Eliza, but for overplaying and screwing over a rightfully pissed Amanda. She can still win, but I see her losing in the end for overplaying this game. Cirie has stayed calm, has a straight forward strategy. Parv seems to be making it up as she goes. As Eliza said, she is playing a short sighted game. Great, you made an alliance with 6 other people. What happens next? Chances: Final 3 loser. Winners 1. Cirie 2. Parvati 3. Ozzy, James, Amanda, Natalie, Alexis, Jason, Erik
April.candyisdandy		#3364	[-]
Posts: 22 (04/11/08 12:12 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I really don't think Jason was P last night. M, probably. The idiot music was playing in all the idol scenes, and I sort of got a N vibe when he was talking about how cocky Ozzy was. And that's not even because I'm a big Ozzy fan. It just seemed N because he was sitting there saying how Ozzy was cocky when claiming that he was going to dominate Ozzy seemed like the most cocky statement of the episode to me. So I think Jason was definitely not P, but M.
Kitty Pryde1		#3365	[-]
Posts: 3559 (04/11/08 12:22 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I still think Parvati is getting way too much of a Steph edit, albiet it's toned down. It's exactly the kind of edit I'd expect for a favorite who came back and lost, but not in a blowout, like Steph did. I said this much earlier in the season, too. If a favorite were to win this season, they would not receive the type of edit Parvati is getting. Ozzy's edit, while negative, is still better for a winner, because we can at least respect his game. Parvati, thus far, has come off as immature and uncaring, especially as evidenced by her treatment of Eliza and her lack of concern when revealing the deals she made involving her "friend" Amanda.
speedyforme		#3366	[-]
Posts: 7163 (04/11/08 12:27 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Kitty Pryde1 wrote: I still think Parvati is getting way too much of a Steph edit, albiet it's toned down. It's exactly the kind of edit I'd expect for a favorite who came back and lost, but not in a blowout, like Steph did. I said this much earlier in the season, too. If a favorite were to win this season, they would not receive the type of edit Parvati is getting. Ozzy's edit, while negative, is still better for a winner, because we can at least respect his game. Parvati, thus far, has come off as immature and uncaring, especially as evidenced by her treatment of Eliza and her lack of concern when revealing the deals she made involving her "friend" Amanda. Sorry have to disagree, they made Steph look horrible only because she was a sweetheart in the previous season and had to make sure people were OK with a Danni win, Parvati was never really that popular like Cirie/Yau Man so they don't have to make her into such a bitch. However edgically, she's doing very well unfortunately...
Kitty Pryde1		#3367	[-]
Posts: 3560 (04/11/08 12:34 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Parvati wasn't a villain, either. Sucks may have hated her, but look at her previous edgic. She was actually one of the more positive players that wasn't from New Aitu, and was the ONLY positive player from original Rarotonga. She was good enough to come back for FvF, as was Amanda, and even though they weren't exactly Sucks' darlings, they were liked enough to get relatively positive edits. The stuff Parvati's getting now is exactly what I would expect from the second place (or third place finisher). All that immature stuff like the pee water, the focus on her fat lip over Ami's knee, the flirting with some random Micronesian, the portrayal of her alliance in general, the way she blew Amanda off when Amanda was upset with the way Parvati had made deals on Airai. The only GOOD negative Parvati has really had was last episode when it was all about strategy, but even then, that could fit in with the theme of overstrategizing = bad, and she could wind up getting Marianowned. Right now, her edit reminds me very much so of a mixture of Rob M.'s strategy and Stephenie's personality.
MyChemicalShowmance		#3368	[-]
Posts: 278 (04/11/08 12:36 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	speedyforme wrote: Sorry have to disagree, they made Steph look horrible only because she was a sweetheart in the previous season and had to make sure people were OK with a Danni win, Parvati was never really that popular like Cirie/Yau Man so they don't have to make her into such a bitch. However edgically, she's doing very well unfortunately... Sorry. Not seein it. 3 toneless UTR's followed by 2 major CPN's?? I'm just not seeing how this spells "winner".
Cassidy666		#3369	[-]
Posts: 7370 (04/11/08 12:37 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Stick Watchdog Quite honestly, I thought the stick had the best winning edgic potential. I was totally convinced it was going to win due to its carefully tended storyline, even though it went INV for that one episode. But we all know how Danni's hat in Guatamala won despite that. It was good buildup although the napkin that was used to wrap the stick got the spotlight for a couple of episodes. Classic distraction. After some cool down, which I'm sure everyone felt was good for its edgic chances, when it all finally came to a head this last episode, I was completely crushed. I was rooting for the stick and I knew it was doing well edgically so when Jeff threw it on the fire, it shocked the hell out of me. I think it was undeniably N for how it managed to deceive others before it went out. OTT of course since it was so one note. I can be unbiased about it so I don't know how all of you see the stick as CP with the flat SPVs. No, Ozzy's did not add anything no matter how you paint it. There was simply no insight as to what the stick intended with its deception. None whatsoever. Visibility was a 5 due to the end of its story and it being thrown on the fire at the end. I'm torn about it. I don't know what to root for now. Final call: OTTN5 Winning possibility: ELIMINATED although I still contend that it had the best edit, which says a lot about the others who are left. Last Edited By: Cassidy666 04/11/08 12:43 PM. Edited 4 times.
speedyforme		#3370	[-]
Posts: 7166 (04/11/08 12:40 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	To me it REALLY does go back to the first episode, just because hypothetically Parvati makes it to the F3 and loses, there is NO reason to give her a good edit in episode 1 with strategy and the opening confessional that was very distinct from the rest... I mean we can say Amanda also makes F3 for example but did she ge an opening statement? No...did she get a better edit in episode 1? No... I will be crushed if Parvati wins though...
dennydoylelives		#3371	[-]
Posts: 2168 (04/11/08 12:45 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Kitty Pryde1 wrote: I still think Parvati is getting way too much of a Steph edit, albiet it's toned down. I still say more of a Boston Wawb edit, but toned down only because Wawb was more slimy and sleazy in real life, so the story of his villainy really wrote itself. Still, just about every player who has ever played the game has tried to make deals with as many people as possible, but very few are shown doing the kind of make a deal for no good reason, the way Rob, and now Parvati are shown. You've had people try to make deals with everyone in sight when they're on the outs, and doing so out of desperation. But a person who has a solid alliance, that continues to make more and more alliances without any seemingly good reason, (as far as the edited show is concerned), is being edited for a comeuppance at FTC. Expect more than one juror to completely crucify her. The main point is, the edit is how Parvati screws up a game she should have had in hand. So a Steph edit or a Rob edit, a Katie edit, or hell even a Clay edit, it all points to her facing the jury, losing, and receiving what is supposed to be perceived as deserved venom from the jury.
speedyforme		#3372	[-]
Posts: 7167 (04/11/08 12:51 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Sorry I don't see the direct comparison, Rob basically ridiculed and made fun of his alliances he made - aka Lex's deal, Alicia, Tom etc... And Steph lost from screwing over people who did her NOTHING BUT favours - Judd's rewards, Lydia's and Cindy's loyalty etc... Parvati didn't laugh at anyone in her alliance, she is very aware it might her in trouble as well. Parvati didn't laugh at anyone in her alliance (only at Eliza who was gunning for her), she is very aware this might get her in trouble as well. She's playing logically, knowing she will have to take out her threats to win whereas Steph kept her threats in the game... The Amanda thing was bad but not a game ending bad. Last Edited By: speedyforme 04/11/08 12:55 PM. Edited 1 times.
dennydoylelives		#3373	[-]
Posts: 2170 (04/11/08 12:59 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	speedyforme wrote: The Amanda thing was bad but not a game ending bad. So you can't see Amanda, in the jury box, being completely pissed off, having a quaalude-style tirade about the deals that Parvati made on her behalf?
speedyforme		#3374	[-]
Posts: 7168 (04/11/08 1:05 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	That would imply Amanda has a personality
dennydoylelives		#3375	[-]
Posts: 2171 (04/11/08 1:09 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	LOL. That was why I qualified the type of tirade. Quaaludes make you more like the guy on the right in this picture. Just imagine a Tommy Chong tirade.
Tyran Amiros		#3376	[-]
Posts: 226 (04/11/08 1:11 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Why are people suddenly giving up on Pavarti all of the sudden? My first thought after this episode was that she's definitely the winner and they need to introduce some doubt so it's not that obvious. This is especially true with the only other potential winner now gone (RIP Eliza). Yes, Pavarti was CPN this episode, but so was Tom at the merge in Palau, and Todd had some CPNs somewhere along the line also. CPN isn't a kiss of death--here it shows the transition from the two main pre-merge storylines (Fans vs. Faves and Jon's Alliance vs. Couples' Alliance) into the post-merge storyline of how Pavarti and Amanda deal with their multiple alliances. Jason's the only one left still on the outs of the tribe. And barring an immunity streak, he's the exact kind of challenge threat likely to leave right about now. I'd also guess Eliza might vote for Pavarti. I think Eliza will vote for whom she thinks played the game the best in the end--and that could be Pavarti. Actually, as long as Pavarti takes Todd's approach to the final jury and not Amanda's, I think Pavarti will have a good chance with the jury. Pavarti's the only Fave whose strategy has changed. Cerie? Still attaching herself to strong players who will carry her to the end game. Ozzy? Still going for a win challenges to the end approach. Amanda? Still trying too hard not to make enemies. Though her situation might look bleak now, she's shown us that she's not the same Pavarti who will flirt her way to the end; that's been taken over by Alexis. Despite the fans/faves, this seems to me to be a fairly typical season of Edgic: we had a complex tribe with the Faves, and Pavarti is certainly surrounded by doubt in the form of OTT Ozzy-worship. But I'd still pick her as the winner.
April.candyisdandy		#3377	[-]
Posts: 24 (04/11/08 1:17 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Actually, I think both Parvarti's and Ozzy's gameplay has changed. Parvarti's is a pretty noticeable change, but Ozzy has been doing a lot more on the alliance/relationship front this season, which was exactly what he said he needed to do. As for the others, though . . . yeah, they haven't changed.
fat little fingers		#3378	[-]
Posts: 5450 (04/11/08 1:24 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	If anyone is resembling ASS Rob it's Ozzy. He's the flat-out challenge target and the leader, the gadfadda. He just needs to laugh at and insult more players. But, I still think he'd get the votes if he made F-2, so he goes before. IMHO Oowhatanite said: Warrior, there's room in the Alexis boat, but as the charter member, I get to sit next to her at the Edgies this year! Umm, some of us never left the deck let alone the boat. getting real, I can see the logic. After all I was one of her biggest champions thru Ep2. She gave the formula for beating the Faves. She got the fire is life scene, yada yada. But remember her statement spoke of the Faves playing their old games. This is really the key and not the fact that a Fan gave the theme. After Ep3, we say bye-bye to Alexis. That she's stayed in our memories since then is testament to the impact her opening scene had, but the level of quiet since the eel-killing scene is record-breaking for a winner. Parvati's confessionals stand in contrast to Jonathan's "they might be the fans , but that doesn't mean they can beat the champion team." He follows this up the next ep with, "If we keep doing what we've been doing, we can't lose." But, Parvati (his stated "biggest threat") doesn't "keep doing what we've been doing." Her plan to change her game this time is the key that breaks Alexis' assumptions. Parvati showed a mixture of insight, and self-reflection this ep. She also was the successful leader in Eliza's boot. (The only other Fave to be playing a changed game is Cirie. Arguments for her win are there, too.) "Motivational speaker" Alexis would be a fun F-2 partner for Parvati. And, true both now have lots of jury responses (Ozzy, Amanda, James, Cirie, Natalie...). Rat/spider imagery and negative editing exists for both Cirie and Parvati. But, despite all this, Parvati has all the needed pieces from opening statement to consistent theme to emergence with end-game talk just before the merge. Alexis may have announced the games beginning, but my merge Edgic has Parvati as winner. (My official Edgic limped off with Eliza.) Just for non-Edgic fun, I'll call it: F-2: Alexis and Parvati. Winner: Parvati. Last Edited By: fat little fingers 04/11/08 1:28 PM. Edited 1 times.
Francois40		#3379	[-]
Posts: 2124 (04/11/08 1:52 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	The bat that James ate may have been edited like a rodent but it was actually a mammal. The world's only flying mammal, in fact. Ahem, rodents ARE mammals! It could be BOTH. But it's true, bats are non-rodent mammals, order Chiroptera, not order Rodentia. This season is going exactly as predicted. Huh? Eliza was many people's top pick, and even more people's 2nd or 3rd! Nope, because [Perverti] pissed off her F2 alliance mate, Amanda. Sorry, but the move Parvati made involving Amanda in an alliance like that is bad gameplay. I completely understood where Amanda was coming from when she was pissed at her... Exactly. Amanda was justified in being pissed off. You just don't go making promises for other people about alliances without their permission. The interesting thing is, why we were shown this reaction on the part of Amanda. I'm sure mosat of us assumed that Parv's saying this meant that it was so; did any of us think "I bet Amanda won't be too happy to hear about this promise?" Maybe it was just so we could hear Amanda say "I might need to get rid of Parvati" to create some suspsnese for this week--or maybe it has longer-term effects.
Warrior		#3380	[-]
Posts: 2542 (04/11/08 2:57 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Cassidy666 wrote: Stick Watchdog Quite honestly, I thought the stick had the best winning edgic potential. I was totally convinced it was going to win due to its carefully tended storyline, even though it went INV for that one episode. But we all know how Danni's hat in Guatamala won despite that. It was good buildup although the napkin that was used to wrap the stick got the spotlight for a couple of episodes. Classic distraction. After some cool down, which I'm sure everyone felt was good for its edgic chances, when it all finally came to a head this last episode, I was completely crushed. I was rooting for the stick and I knew it was doing well edgically so when Jeff threw it on the fire, it shocked the hell out of me. I think it was undeniably N for how it managed to deceive others before it went out. OTT of course since it was so one note. I can be unbiased about it so I don't know how all of you see the stick as CP with the flat SPVs. No, Ozzy's did not add anything no matter how you paint it. There was simply no insight as to what the stick intended with its deception. None whatsoever. Visibility was a 5 due to the end of its story and it being thrown on the fire at the end. I'm torn about it. I don't know what to root for now. Final call: OTTN5 Winning possibility: ELIMINATED although I still contend that it had the best edit, which says a lot about the others who are left. Sorry Cassidy but as Visibility Watchdog I must disagree! Being thrown in the fire only took 1.35 seconds...and it did NOT say a word! Being thrown in the fire and being burned at the stick warrants the OTT but does not bump it up from a 4 to a 5. Come on now...and negative...OnlyTheHunter may have something to say about that.

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