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Trixiego wrote:

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I said uncommon, not never. How many times have they changed the composition of the final in 16 seasons of Survivor? Once. That is not common. Changing more minor things like starting number of players happens all the time. People keep on saying that "they keep on changing things in the game to keep players on their toes so why not from F3 back to F2" but the things they keep on changing all the time are more minor things, or tinkering at the edges. The composition of the final has only ever changed once in the entire history of survivor. It is obviously not a change they take lightly and it is not meant to keep players on their toes. Besides, if it is supposed to mean a switch from F3 to F2 why the medical theme of the clue?

Ahh, uncommon okay. Whatever. Tinkering? Again, respond to my statement instead of "tinkering" with it

You called this an OUTRIGHT FUNDAMENTAL change to the BASIC FUNDAMENTALS.

So basically, yes or no, you are saying that changing it from a final two to a final three wasn't changing a BASIC FUNDAMENTAL?

Here I thought the final two was something that was pretty much a staple on Survivor until :gasp - they changed it!
I guess all the brouhaha that came with the change from final two from final three was just an overboard response to just a wee little tinkering.

I don't understand why I keep on needing to repeat this over and over again. We obviously agree that the change to a fundamental thing like F2 is something that is uncommon so for god's sake stop repeating that line over and over again. (Once again) my argument is that suggests that the very fact that they only ever changed the final two/three once in the history of Survivor and then for good structural reasons suggest it is not a change they take lightly. The sole argument that people here including you are making is they commonly make changes to shake up the players. People here are not arguing that there are longstanding structural issues about F3 that annoy the producers and there are rumors of it happening. The ONLY reason people are saying is basically, hey they change things like the tribe numbers and when swaps occur a lot so why not F3 back to F2? However the type of changes they make solely to shake up the players are not fundamental changes. They did NOT make the initial change from F2 to F3 mostly to shake up players. They have NEVER in the history of the game changed the composition of the final to shake up players. That is an undeniable fact. The idea that it might shake things up a bit I'm sure played a role but the reasons for the change from F2 to F3 are well known and were largely for structural reasons. Since they have NEVER in the history of the game changed the composition of the final to shake up players what makes people think they will do it this time? In fact the fact they are willing to change so many other things at the drop of a hat but not things like the final compositions suggests it is not a change they take lightly.

Let me repeat myself again (I mean I've only been doing it for the last half dozen messages) for the English and logic impaired amongst us. I am not saying they have NEVER changed a fundamental thing like F2/F3. I am saying they have NEVER changed F2/F3 to solely to shake up players and moreoever even for structural reasons they have only ever changed it once and "to shake up players" is the ONLY argument that any one here supporting the notion there might be a change from F3 to F2 has produced is "to shake up players" and "anything is possible".

Well one can argue that anything is possible but Jeff Probst can appear at Final TC dressed in a tutu and makeup and claim that really he wants to be known as Jane from now on - that's possible too but how probable is it given previous history and clues e.g. if we hear rumors about Probst's gender identity problems and photos of him dressed as a woman the chances go up a lot but if we hear nothing and he has spent the past 16 seasons exerting his love of the alpha male the chances are not that high.

Actually come to think of it, you can actually support this using the clue given. The 2 fingers in "Victory" stand for the male/female duality that is inherent in Probst's gender confusion. Also the V sign according to Wikipedia if held in front of the lips can stand for cunnilingus, that is referring to a woman's sexual organs. The medical theme is intended to stand for the fact that in order to realize his dream to be a woman, Jeff will need to undergo surgery and at Final TC he will share with us the medical process by which he will change his gender. I mean the word, "Anatomy" - what is the first thing that a kid thinks about when he looks at an anatomy book for the first time - the differences between a man and a woman. Clearly it points once again to Jeff's gender confusion. As for "victory" - who declares the victor in every single Survivor? Obviously, Jeff Probst. So "Anatomy of Victory" stands for the anatomy of the person who declares victory in every Survivor. Remember, you heard it here first. Jeff Probst. Tutu. Makeup. "Call me Jane". I mean, why not?

Trixiego wrote:

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Please spare us repeating it over and over, my quote function won't take it. Congratulations on making my short list though.

Your logic is flawed despite all the words you wrap it in. I'd laminate them but I'm afraid I'd run out of material.

Easy to make insults, hard to actual explain why my reasoning is flawed heh?