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Lilasu		#281	[-]
Posts: 568 (03/14/08 3:48 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Jin being fake-dead also frees him from his father-in-law. It might be part of the plan for a new life later on. While she did seem sad, after all of the things that they've been through I just didn't see the look in her eyes that she has when she is truly sad, as when she and Jin fought or were separated on the island. She was distant in this latest mourning, and less physical. I wasn't buying it as full-fledged Sun grief. I think it'd be more interesting for the story if Jin was dead, but I think he's on the island. Their reunion would be gold when this thing wraps up. He'll be speaking perfect English by then too. I'm going to be on the lookout for white flower sprigs from here on out.
Kirblar		#282	[-]
Posts: 6030 (03/14/08 4:17 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	At least it gave us something to debate up until we see who's still on the island when the O6 leave.
Shorty		#283	[-]
Posts: 1658 (03/14/08 4:53 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I'm with Wisc on this whole thing about it being Widmore that planted the fake plane. Even tho Ben is self-serving and nuttier than squirrel shit, I think we're going to be surprised that somehow he is right in his protection of the island, even tho he's exploited it for his own power hunger.
Pulau Tiga		#284	[-]
Posts: 4019 (03/14/08 4:56 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	BarbH918 wrote: 6 - Jack, Hurley, Kate, Aaron, Sayid, Sun. If Aaron doesn't count then the 6th Man is Michael/Kevin - Who is also the man in the coffin... That's also why Kate has Aaron - Claire didn't fit either so she sent her son to be safe. The Oceanic 6 decided they'd rather use their limited space for Jack or Kate or Hurley or Sayid than for Claire, who has a child to raise? I don't buy that. Anyway, another great episode. They're really pulling some big emotional stops this season, though I'll admit to being a bit disappointed by the captain reveal.
MrsSoares		#285	[-]
Posts: 1058 (03/14/08 5:38 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	BarbH918 wrote: So, who wanted to grab me by the shoulders and shake me saying "accept it - he's dead?" - He's not dead. The story was that EVERYONE who didn't come back died - we know they didn't die. There were only 6 seats to get out - Jin knew Sun would die if she didn't leave so he stayed behind. 6 - Jack, Hurley, Kate, Aaron, Sayid, Sun. If Aaron doesn't count then the 6th Man is Michael/Kevin - Who is also the man in the coffin... That's also why Kate has Aaron - Claire didn't fit either so she sent her son to be safe. All Sun said at the grave was "I miss you". When she came back home as one of the "6" everyone assumed Jin was dead (hence the date) and her powerful family gave him a funeral. Agreed with you 100 percent. As for the person that said Jack and Kate took a seat that could have been for Claire... I am sure there could be some nerarious reasoning behind them going instead... like she's already dead?
Screerider		#286	[-]
Posts: 21240 (03/14/08 5:57 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Lilasu wrote: Jin being fake-dead also frees him from his father-in-law. It might be part of the plan for a new life later on. Another good point. I understand that "the t.e.a.r.s were real!", but it's not like a woman who just had her baby while her husband wasn't able to be there would ever cry about something like that. Nope. Weird that Hurley would be the only one to show up to celebrate Sun giving birth. Almost as weird as Jack being the only one to show up at Rose's funeral (or whoevers).
Merrilin		#287	[-]
Posts: 960 (03/14/08 6:11 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Right on Barb. As for Sun, maybe they are just showing us in the flashforwards each moment where each person decides they truly want to go back and that's why Sun seems so upset. Because when I think back at the other flashforwards, they are all moments where they might decide that they'd had enough and want to go back and resolve this shit and quit living the lie. I still think Michael can be on the freighter and not technically be "Ben's man".
Lilasu		#288	[-]
Posts: 569 (03/14/08 6:27 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Another thing I was thinking was that if we had panned back farther at that last graveside scene, we may have seen the camera-popping media circus. It may have been an odd thing for her to do if it were just her and Hurley there, (if Jin is still alive) but I get the feeling that it may have been one of those things that were done for show. Headline! "Oceanic 06er gives birth and visits gravesite of dead husband!" It would have seemed odd if she HADN'T done something like that, she's famous after all. As a side note, I'm liking the idea of Michael being the final 06er. I still agree with whoever had the idea that all of the 06ers are people who were far away from the hatch explosion. Michael fits with that. Aaron was inoculated, the rest of them can't risk leaving after seeing what happened to poor Des, maybe? I'm ready for an episode at the Locke Camp now.
WiscBadger95		#289	[-]
Posts: 10568 (03/14/08 6:30 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Pulau Tiga wrote: The Oceanic 6 decided they'd rather use their limited space for Jack or Kate or Hurley or Sayid than for Claire, who has a child to raise? I don't buy that. That, coupled with Kate raising Aaron (and him calling her mommy), adds more credence to the theory that Claire dies on the island.
CC1018		#290	[-]
Posts: 1030 (03/14/08 7:51 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I'm confused over all the questioning of Sun's baby versus DOC -- the outside world would just assume her DOC was 9/21 or 9/22. We don't know when she goes into labor post-rescue so there's no way of knowing. My son was 10 days passed my due date & failed induction lead to a C-section because he never dropped & he was only 7lbs, 11oz. They did the C because they were sure he was 'late' & the ultrasounds put him at 10lbs plus. I just think Juliet could have been off a week or so, especially that early in a pregnancy. And I'm assuming that Jack was still sober & ''fine'' when she had the baby - he stilled seemed in control when Hurley cracked, so I'd say it was just another case of Jack not wanting to face some of the stuff that has yet to go down.
Mister Hooper		#291	[-]
Posts: 62 (03/14/08 10:12 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Did anyone else notice the problems with juliet's make through the show? It looked like the scab on her lip kept falling off on her close-ups.
GodIsAnAtheist		#292	[-]
Posts: 2990 (03/14/08 10:14 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	People REALLY think that Widmore covered up the accident? I thought I made a clear enough argument somewhere, but I guess it's worth revisiting here for the latecomers, lol. First of all, what would Widmore's motive be for covering up the crash? He has no one on the plane that he hopes doesn't get found. We know he may have allowed Desmond to go on the boat race knowing he would get lost and die, but since he wasn't on 815, really doesn't affect him. In addition, we KNOW now that he's looking for the island, so it doesn't seem to me like he has anything to gain from staging a crash, especially if he is unaware of the island's location. It makes infinitely more sense that Ben is the one behind the cover up. His motive for doing so is obvious: he doesn't want the island to be found. Also, we again, know that Widmore is looking for him (and, assumed, the island). That gives Ben causation for hiding the wreckage in an alternate location. If Widmore knows that 815 is lost and unable to be found, he has extensive resources allocated to finding the wreckage, which could be where the island is. Not only in the case of Widmore, but Ben just doesn't want people finding the island, period. If there are hundreds of families out there looking for their loved ones, the chances of the island being discovered increases exponentially, which is not what Ben wants. I think that's pretty convincing arguments that it's not Widmore and is, in fact, Ben.
Seyz		#293	[-]
Posts: 140 (03/15/08 12:24 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	What I want to know is why did only Hurley show up to see Sun and Jin's baby "Ji Yeon". I always got the impression that out of the Oceanic 6, Sun was kind of close to Jack out of all people. And when Sun told Hurley that he was the only one; they seemed to both have an acknowledgement that it was not surprising that he was the only one there. Does that mean Sun and the rest of the crew have a disagreement? Or does she just know that there's too much going on with Kate, Sayid and Jack for them to fly to Korea? The Last Oceanic 6 member is the one in the coffin. We know it's someone with no family and no one likes. Locke? But he wouldn't willingly leave the island. Michael? High possibility I suppose. Unless it's Sayid. I don't know. I guess the only 2 people of the original characters not accounted for at the moment are Claire and Sawyer. And it seems like both of them don't make it off the island.
Undertakeress		#294	[-]
Posts: 5043 (03/15/08 2:26 AM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	^ Maybe Jack didn't show up cause he was in the throws of his addiction by this point? We still don't know the exact timeline of them leaving the island, him testifying at Kate's trial and him being a pill popper.
WiscBadger95		#295	[-]
Posts: 10570 (03/15/08 10:05 AM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	GodIsAnAtheist wrote: People REALLY think that Widmore covered up the accident? I thought I made a clear enough argument somewhere, but I guess it's worth revisiting here for the latecomers, lol. First of all, what would Widmore's motive be for covering up the crash? He has no one on the plane that he hopes doesn't get found. We know he may have allowed Desmond to go on the boat race knowing he would get lost and die, but since he wasn't on 815, really doesn't affect him. In addition, we KNOW now that he's looking for the island, so it doesn't seem to me like he has anything to gain from staging a crash, especially if he is unaware of the island's location. It makes infinitely more sense that Ben is the one behind the cover up. His motive for doing so is obvious: he doesn't want the island to be found. Also, we again, know that Widmore is looking for him (and, assumed, the island). That gives Ben causation for hiding the wreckage in an alternate location. If Widmore knows that 815 is lost and unable to be found, he has extensive resources allocated to finding the wreckage, which could be where the island is. Not only in the case of Widmore, but Ben just doesn't want people finding the island, period. If there are hundreds of families out there looking for their loved ones, the chances of the island being discovered increases exponentially, which is not what Ben wants. I think that's pretty convincing arguments that it's not Widmore and is, in fact, Ben. Go back and re-read my post ... survivorsucks.yuku.com/reply/2641739/t/3-13-08-Ep7-Ji-Yeon-.html#reply-2641739
Merrilin		#296	[-]
Posts: 962 (03/15/08 10:11 AM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	WiscBadger95 wrote: Pulau Tiga wrote: The Oceanic 6 decided they'd rather use their limited space for Jack or Kate or Hurley or Sayid than for Claire, who has a child to raise? I don't buy that. That, coupled with Kate raising Aaron (and him calling her mommy), adds more credence to the theory that Claire dies on the island. Maybe it isn't their choice who goes and who stays. Were there 6 people on the list that Michael had to convince to come to the dock in order for Michael to be "free"? ETA - Looked it up on Lostpedia and there was just 4 (Jack, Kate, Sawyer and Hurley who was freed.) it looks like. But it could be those 4 plus Michael and Walt.(?) Probably not; thought I was on to something there, lol! :P Last Edited By: Merrilin 03/15/08 10:33 AM. Edited 1 times.
GodIsAnAtheist		#297	[-]
Posts: 2991 (03/15/08 10:42 AM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I see what you are saying, Wisc, but it really doesn't make as much sense as Ben doing it. I mean, you can't seriously argue that Ben has less incentive to cover up the crash than Widmore would? First of all, I doubt that the Black Rock book says, "Well, we crashed on a weird island that just so happens to be the exact one you're looking for to find Ben Linus a gazillion years in the future." It likely doesn't say anything about the island, which is why it was able to be recovered instead of lost forever (like it should be, since hardly anyone escapes from Lost Island). Secondly, the scenario that Ben hid the 815 wreckage in another location in order to PREVENT Widmore from finding the island is much more likely than Widmore somehow thinking up that 815 just HAPPENED to fall on his island (which he has no idea of its location) out of the millions of miles of ocean out there, so he has to cover it up to prevent anyone else from looking for it. Last Edited By: GodIsAnAtheist 03/16/08 1:22 AM. Edited 1 times.
thumbalenae		#298	[-]
Posts: 1882 (03/15/08 1:02 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I am so glad I do not read spoilers. I had no idea that was coming at all - No idea about Michael being on the boat or Jin "dying".
chidelta	faking it	#299	[-]
Posts: 1073 (03/15/08 1:24 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I agree with GIAA, it makes more sense that Ben (or rather the person or organization that is funding him) is behind the fake plane crash victims. I don't think we've seen the extent of the power struggle, though, or all the players (Hanso?) because I don't quite buy that Ben became this all-knowing, all-powerful mastermind with unlimited resources while living on the island most of his life. Following up on Merrilin's post, I'm sure people have commented on this already, but with the exception of Aaron, the one thing that all of the known Oceanic 6 have in common so far is that they were not in the general area of the hatch when it imploded. Kate, Jack and Hurley were across the island on the dock when the sky went purple. And if I remember correctly, Sun and Sayid were on Desmond's boat (as was Jin), going after the kidnapped group. Desmond was at ground zero, and had near fatal side effects getting off the island. So perhaps the reason that Claire and some of the other Losties can't or don't leave the island is that it is too dangerous right now. Whoever was arranging the rescue may have insisted that certain people stay behind temporarily because they were recently exposed to a large dose of electromagnetic radiation. That doesn't quite explain Aaron, but it's a possibility. This theory would also partially explain why Jack wants to go back, because he made a promise to return, expecting that they would eventually be radiation free. And, if Aaron is not truly #6, then under this theory our other candidates would be limited to Jin, Michael, Walt and Sawyer. I liked this epi, even though it was slower in the beginning. Sun just gets me every time. And I said to my wife as soon as Jin was going bonkers over the Panda that it was a flashback and the panda wasn't for Sun or his baby. For those who have never experienced the panic of your wife going into labor when you are not at her side, I'm here to tell you that the last thing you are worried about is making a stop to get a stuffed animal.
CoconutPhone		#300	[-]
Posts: 12481 (03/15/08 1:35 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	If Aaron is one of the O6 I hope we get an Aaron-centric ep. I can't wait for a flash forward following him around and seeing the world from his perspective.

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