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'Project Runway's' Tim Gunn talks about Christian's win, 'PR's' sourpuss and Tim's own 'diva moment'

Twelve hours after "Project Runway's" fourth season wrapped up, I was on the phone with Tim Gunn, the mentor of the aspiring designers on the Bravo reality show. We talked about Christian Siriano's win and the collections of the other finalists.

Tim also talked about Season 5 of "Project Runway," whether his own show, "Tim Gunn's Guide to Style," is coming back, and he told a jaw-dropping story about what contestant Victorya Hong made him do in Mood Fabrics.

That story left me gasping -- but then he told a better one about his "diva moment" on the set of "Guide to Style." Settle in with a cup of coffee, "Runway" fans -- Tim Gunn's got hot, fresh gossip for you!

[By the way, my comments are in bold, Gunn's are in regular type.]

Tim Gunn: "What a season, huh?"

MR: Definitely. I was blown away by the final collections.

TG: "It was a staggering, staggering season. You know something, we really did find the next great American fashion designer."

MR: Every time I saw Christian's age next to his name on the screen, I'd remember, "He's only 21!" It's just astounding.

TG: "It is astounding. When we had the auditions in New York, it was the last stop on the audition train. We'd already found a ton of great people with maturity and experience. When I saw Christian's paperwork, I turned to the producers and said, 'Why are we seeing this kid?' And they said the people doing the prescreening saw something in him. And I said, 'OK.'"

"He came in and he had been in the room about 10 seconds, and I said to my fellow judges, 'This is an old soul. This is not a 21-year-old kid.' The work blew me away. I've spent my life working with young people, working with students. The closest I've ever come to a real prodigy is the Proenza Schouler boys, Jack McCullough and Lazaro Hernandez. But Christian just blows me away."

MR: His work has such vision for someone so young. It has that couture vision.

TG: "It's staggering. But that collection on the runway - it was wearable. You wouldn't be a shy wallflower, but it was wearable."

MR: Yes, I always felt that about his work - it looked like something a real person could wear. I loved the jeans he made for the Levi's challenge. Maybe Levi's thought those jeans would be too expensive to make, but had they sold them, they would have had an instant best-seller.

TG: "That's a challenge where I thought the person who won was going home. I thought Ricky's garment was so dumb, fashion-wise. It was just a tube with stuff on it."

MR: I'm with you there. But looking at all the collections in the finale, they were all very strong. I agreed with giving Christian the win, but I thought Jillian's work was very strong as well.

TG: "For me it was between Christian and Jillian. I thought it could have gone either way. I love Rami, I love his work, I just thought his textile choices were questionable. And I thought his color story was dour."

MR: I agree, especially about the colors. Those pieces should float, they should skim along. And I thought the colors didn't help in that regard.

TG: "He just has a very particular point of view when it comes to color. And it just isn't everybody's taste."

MR: I loved the white lace dress he did.

TG: "I'm glad to hear you say that. I liked it but the more that I looked at it, the more that 1930s vintage lace looked a little tired and stale."

MR: Maybe I benefited from only seeing it on the runway. I tried not to look at too many pictures of the collections online before the finale aired. Rami's dress reminded me of that gown that Marion Cotillard wore at the Oscars. Though I might have liked his better, actually. But Cotillard's gown - it was a love-it-or-hate-it dress.

TG: "Yeah, it was. I talked to her on the red carpet. I loved it from the front, but when she turned around and I saw that there was a train and scales and a fish tail - I thought, it's too literal, in terms of a mermaid outfit.

"Rami's last piece, the pleated, layered black gown, it was a construction masterpiece. And Jillian, going back to her, for me it was between Christian and Jillian."

MR: I thought the jackets she made were incredible. I would buy them.

TG: "Totally. What a season for us."

MR: What was the reaction you got to this season? My personal thought was that this season had by far the best design.

TG: "I'm with you 1,000 percent. But there's been some criticism hurled at us. 'Are they too talented, are they too experienced?' My response is, we need an even playing field. Once you choose a Rami Kashou for the show, you have to have people who can compete with him."

MR: People also said there wasn't as much drama.

TG: "You know why? Because they're so committed to their work, they have such passion for it -- that's where they put their energy and their time and attention. It wasn't about who's dissing whom. They didn't engage in that. And also they all recognize in each other the same kinds of qualities and characteristics, in terms of that passion for their work. They have this respect for each other."

MR: Yeah, it seemed that way. Christian can be a little snot sometimes, but it was classy when he said in the finale that he was impressed by Jillian and Rami's work, and that he was proud to be competing with them. I was like, "Well done." He didn't have such a big head that he couldn't see their talent.

TG: "And he knew, in his own way, that he's mortal. I think no one was more surprised by the win than Christian. He was a trembling, quivering mess on that runway. Heidi called it out, when she said, 'What's with you? Where's the cocky Christian? Did you leave him in the work room?'

"He was so convinced he wasn't going to win and he just wanted to win so badly. And I have to say, until it came out of Heidi's mouth, I didn't know he was going to win. Once Jillian left the runway, I thought, it can't be Rami. It's got to be Christian."

MR: What do you think will happen for him now? Are people trying to hire him? Will he go out on his own?

TG: "I hope he wants to go out on his own. I can't see him working for another designer. His vision is too acute. He needs financial backing. He needs a business partner. Part of the win is getting representation from [fashion-business adviser] Marc Beckman. He is a fabulous guy. He'll help broker deals and have his radar up for the sharks to keep them away from Christian.

"Just by way of anecdote, this is another opportunity that Jay McCarroll turned his nose up to. He had no interest in it. I was so interested in getting him together with Marc that I went to the meeting with Jay, just to say, 'This is a great guy, Jay. You need him.' He wasn't interested."

MR: Christian will need a lot of money. To launch a fashion collection - that's not cheap.

TG: "Oh, it's very expensive. A hundred thousand dollars - that's fantastic but it's going to blow out of his hands in nanoseconds."

MR: And the guy needs the money - his apartment was so tiny!

TG: "His apartment is like so many other New York apartments. The bedroom is the size of a single bed. Until I moved last May, I had an apartment like that. I said, 'I can't do this any more, at 54, I need a grownup apartment!'"

MR: The futures of the other designers - do you know what they're going to do?

TG: "Jillian's boyfriend, who was with [the fashion company] Searle, has left to manage her. She's going to launch her own line. I'm thrilled about it. Rami already has a trajectory, he's got his shop in L.A. He'll probably show again at L.A. Fashion Week, not this spring because of 'PR' but probably in the fall."

MR: Do you think the show will get them to the next stage of their careers?

TG: "I'm confident that it will. It's given them this visibility. And people like them, and they like their work. And they see how serious they are. So I can only think that people will want to come on board and help them.

"It happened for [past contestants] Kara Saun, Emmett McCarthy, Daniel Vosovic, Laura Bennett - it happened for a lot of them. People have stepped up and said, 'I want to assist you.' Emmett's got a line of handbags coming out on QVC.

MR: And I saw on the Project Rungay site that Laura did a collection for QVC. Who do you think has capitalized on the show the most?

TG: "I think Chloe and Emmett have [done well]. Emmett used the show as an opportunity to get out of menswear. It wasn't where his heart was. He's not doing any menswear now. Laura certainly.

"Then there are people like Uli from Season 3. There's a clamor for her work. But she has her hand in all the production. She calls and says, 'So and so wants me, Macy's wants me.' And I say, 'Uli, you can't deliver what they'd want because you don't have a factory.' She'd say, 'But I don't want to do that.' I say, 'Then you shouldn't be having these conversations.' She's ambivalent, conflicted, and I understand that. I have the greatest respect for that.

"That's what has me so frustrated when people are critical and saying, 'Where are those "Project Runway" designers? What are they doing?' Well, it's not 'American Idol.' It's not a matter of putting your name on a marquee and filling a theater with people. It's a huge and daunting collaboration and you need the right partners. Look at Narciso Rodriguez. He spent 10 years looking for the right partners, and thankfully he has a good one now with us at Liz Claiborne."

MR: And success levels are different. You can have a shop, and be a top designer in your home city.

TG: "That's Chloe. She's fulfilled her dream. My hat's off to her.

"Also, the whole fashion designer brand thing - I play this game with my mother occasionally. I'll say to her, 'How many [famous designers] can you really list?' [Most people] stop at about six names. So in terms of that kind of recognition - how many [designers' names] do you really know?"

MR: In terms of the finale, I wondered if there was a last-minute piece that they'd be asked to make or something like that. But there wasn't anything like that.

TG: "There was the Rami and Chris thing (they competed against each other in an extra elimination round in the Feb. 27 episode). [Gunn sighs] I don't know. I know Bravo wanted there to be an elimination in every episode.

MR: Was that the plan from the start of the season, or was that a last-minute decision, to have that mini-contest between two contestants at that stage?

TG: "It's actually a holdover from Season 3. But there was so much drama, with Laura accusing Jeffrey [of having help with his work] that we didn't do it."

MR: Just so I understand - in Season 3 that was going to happen, but it didn't because…

TG: "It was eclipsed by Laura's j'accuse of Jeffrey. We didn't do it, we didn't need to, there was enough drama. Part of it was a concern - I never have it, but I absolutely understand the producers' concern about it - it's the thought, 'What's going happen? They're just going to sit around, do their work, have their model fittings?' And my thought is, 'And your problem with that is what?'"

MR: My thought was, I'm OK with there not being as much drama, as long as we get great work on the runway.

TG: "And boy, did we.

"One thing about the Rami and Chris thing - and I would have put this in the show, but it was not in the show. One of the judges asked Rami and Chris, 'Who's your customer?' Rami answered clearly, articulately, believably. And Chris said, 'I don't know.' For me, that was it, Chris was out.

"For me, it underscored, he's a costume designer, not a fashion designer. No denigration of him - he doesn't think fashion-wise. For him the customer is whoever the client is for that particular costume."

MR: And I thought he kind of gave up, or didn't have his heart in it, at a certain point.

TG: "I felt that with the last challenge, the Metropolitan Museum of Art challenge. Nobody naps in the last challenge! There's nothing else you can do to this garment? I thought the same thing, he's kind of given up."

MR: And you don't repeat yourself in the final challenge. That's self-sabotage.

TG: "I know. But I'm reminded though of how we really feel on Day 28. You're done in and you say, 'I just want this to be over.'"

MR: But thank goodness Chris was on the show, he was able to act as this dry, droll counterbalance to Christian and be like, "Ah, youth!"

TG: "I was sickened when Chris was out, because he was the antidote to all that tension in the work room. None of it is contrived. Stuff just happens. When Jack was so sick and had to be out, then Chris was the last one in and he came back … Things happen for a reason. I was elated that Chris came back. I felt terrible for Jack. Jack was really ill."

MR: Wasn't he in the hospital for a week?

TG: "Yes, a week on an IV drip. And frankly, we needed to exit him through a story line. He was there about a day too long. Victorya in particular was so hysterical with me and with the producers, [saying] 'What are you doing to him? He should stay.' It's like, 'You know something, he should be in the hospital right now. Stop it, and stop being so selfish.'"

MR: I don't really understand why she was so upset. Can you explain that to me?

TG: "She was sourpuss, a crabby apple as I keep saying, throughout almost all the show, other than Days 1, 2 and 3. She became this sour pill. Rich Bye, one of the executive producers, and I had two off camera interventions with her. I said to her, 'You know what makes me beside myself is the fact that there are thousands of designers who would love to be in your place. What's the matter with you?'

"She said, 'I never dreamed the experience of being on the show would be like this.' We said, 'What do you mean?' 'I never dreamed we'd only have a day for challenges, that we wouldn't have any breaks.' 'But you said you saw the show.' She said, 'I assumed it was cheated.' I said, 'Then you only have your own delusions to blame.' She was really angry and bitter.

"On one occasion - they edited this out, I knew they would - we were at Mood [Fabrics], and I'm handing out money. They each have $250 dollars. She collects the envelopes from all the designers and hands them back to me. She said, 'I want you to count it.' I just stared at her. 'You want me to do what?'

"She wanted me to count the money in each envelope. I looked to the producer on site with us, and I said, 'I'm not doing this, am I?' and he said, 'The rules say that if a designer asks for the money to be counted, we have to count it.' I said, 'Fine,' and asked why she wanted it counted. And she had pulled out this sheaf of papers - she had the rules with her - and she said, 'I don't believe that we all have the same amount of money.' Why would we do that? If someone didn't have the right amount, wouldn't they come to me? So I counted the money.

"But that's what it was like dealing with her. She actually said about Jack's departure that we had engineered him leaving because he wasn't a pretty face anymore. I just said to her, 'I fundamentally don't understand why you can't understand that he is seriously ill. Furthermore, it's a MRSA [infection]. We are all at risk.' But she said we were forcing him out and that shouldn't happen and we should have a hearing or something."

MR: That explains what the hostility was about in the reunion special. I think I get that now.

TG: "I still don't understand [what was going on with her]. She was at the finale party last night. I said to myself, 'What are you doing here? Why are you here, you've disassociated yourself from the show, supposedly, but you're here?'

"I will say this too, as sour as she is, she is extremely talented."

MR: No doubt. I think some people weren't quite as good, but the top tier of talent was so good that it made some designers, like maybe Ricky, look worse by comparison.

TG: "Ricky really is talented, the trouble is, his design vocabulary is limited. And most of what we did in the show wasn't in his vocabulary."

MR: But he didn't really wow everyone with the WWE wrestling diva challenge - when he's a lingerie designer.

TG: "I know. But part of this also is, there is such an erosion of morale in a way, having to do with physical, emotional and mental exhaustion. It's like a track and field person who can do 100 yard dashes superbly, but not a marathon."

MR: Speaking of range, obviously Christian is very talented. I just wonder if he's settling in to a very narrow range very early in his career. It would be a shame if he didn't go outside his comfort zone and try new things.

TG: "I totally agree. I hope that he will be like the Proenza Schouler boys and keep taking chances and keep pushing himself creatively. And I'm vowing to continue to be a mentor."

MR: Have you ever taken him aside and said, "Take it down a notch, in terms of your attitude?"

TG: "I did during the home visit, because when I saw that collection, I said to myself, he could win this. [On home visits] I saw Rami, Chris, Christian and Jillian, I think in that order. When I saw Rami and Chris I was pretty despondent. Rami got rid of some of the horrible hammer-and-nail tailored stuff. At least he listens. Chris is Chris."

MR: There was too much hair. That was a dealbreaker for me.

TG: "Oh yeah. I said that to him. I said, 'Look at your proportions, silhouette, textiles, you have something really superb going on here. You throw in the human hair and it derails all your efforts. Why are you doing this?' But he did it. He was committed to it. 'OK, if that's what you want to do.' When I saw Christian's and Jillian's collections, I said to them both that they could win it.

"But in Christian's case, I sat down with him and I said, look, you need to monitor your arrogance, you need to think of how you're going to respond to the judges when they say you're only 21 years old. You have almost no experience in this industry. How can you be the next great American designer?

"I told him, that was Daniel Vosovic's downfall, in a way. That he was just too young and inexperienced for this. You need to get with someone who can develop a business plan for this. You need to arm yourself with why it is why you can do this."

MR: He doesn't seem like he's malicious at all. He seems like someone who's pretty in love with his own talent - for good reason. But that can be dangerous. There were times when I watched the show and thought, "Yes, there are things in life that depend purely on talent, but a lot of your progress in your career depends on how polite and courteous and considerate you are."

TG: "Absolutely. He has a polarizing personality, people love him or they hate him. I was stunned he won Fan Favorite. I turned to the Bravo producers and said, 'Who voted, 11-year-old girls?'"

MR: But then again he was a big personality on the show, which had great design, but maybe not as many large personalities. So he kind of stood out.

TG: "He did."

MR: But some designers from the show in the past have become kind of too big for their britches. Do you feel good about where Christian is at, where he'll be going?

TG: "I'll be honest, I don't know enough. We haven't been able to talk about this until now. I don't know where his head is and I just need to get with him and be there as a support.

"As I said, he's an old soul. At the same time, he's vulnerable, he's sensitive, he's ripe for being victimized. We all need to be watchful."

MR: And you know, when he had a hard time in the prom-dress episode, I was like, 'This is what work is like sometimes! People can be difficult.' And she's a high school girl. She's not even a paying client.

TG: "Exactly! That's what the experience can be like. It was a sobering experience for me too, to watch that. I had discussion at the time with him, that it wasn't just a test of who has the best design but also a test of character."

MR: As far as the next season goes and personalities and all that, I just hope that the producers don't go in the opposite direction and cast a bunch of dramatic people who can't design as well.

TG: "I'll tell you this about Season 4 - we brought 120 people forward [to consider as contestants]. For Season 4, unlike any previous season, I felt confident that any one of those people could win the season. That's how good that group was.

"I'm usually involved in that initial culling [to get it down to 120], and I'm usually involved again when it gets down to about 30. This time, for Season 4, I said, you can save yourself a lot of trouble - I don't need to be involved again. You can just do whatever you do."

MR: So you didn't get involved when it was down to about 30?

TG: "No, and I didn't need to be. When we're doing the auditions, we're only looking at talent and experience. So I'm confident that for Season 5 - I have no reason to believe it won't be the same way. As a matter of fact, I said at the Season 4 auditions, 'We could cast five season of 'Project Runway' from this group.'"

MR: You said that last summer, and I was like, "Oh, will that really be true again - will the designers be better yet again?" But it's been true every season.

TG: "Each season the designers are better and better and better."

MR: I would write sometimes in my weekly Season 4 commentaries, "Remember in Season 1 - most pieces didn't even have sleeves!"

TG: "Thank you. Exactly. Look at the work!"

MR: That jacket that Victorya and Jillian sent down the runway - that could have appeared in a Vivienne Westwood show, no problem.

TG: "And it was fully lined. There was a paranoia this season that Nina Garcia was going to get up on the runway and try something on. And I didn't dissuade them from that notion."

MR: Certain pieces that weren't even in the finale, I thought, they would have won the season in previous years.

TG: "That's what I loved about Season 4, the dialogue went so far beyond the loose thread. It was really about design content, and how well did they solve the challenge at hand. I love the fact that we were able to build that kind of depth."

MR: Yes, so many of them have a vision. It wasn't just a good piece for one week - the work often fit into their overall vision. Every week Christian would take a challenge that wasn't in his wheelhouse and drag it into his wheelhouse.

TG: "Yes. And I feel sick about Simone, Marion and Carmen, we barely got to know them and they're such good designers. Every challenge, someone has to leave, and it's painful."

MR: Sometimes designers don't get enough chances to prove themselves. And sometimes maybe they get too many, like Ricky, who seemed very nice, but …

TG: "I know. Him winning the Levi's challenge… But I have to tell you something funny. There's one thing I feel bad about, and it's [springs from] the evil side of me. Victorya was out with the Levi's challenge, and the next challenge was the women wrestlers. I wanted so badly for her to have to do that challenge. Would that not have been the ultimate in revenge? And I'm about 60 percent confident that she would have walked off and refused to do it, and that would have been a 'PR' first.

MR: Were there any challenges you liked a lot, or didn't like? The Metropolitan Museum of Art challenge - that was a great one.

TG: "I saw a rough cut of that and I have to tell you, I was close to $*+%$, it was so visually stunning. That experience - first of all, if anyone doubts the validity and integrity of the show, that museum opened their arms to us. That doesn't happen. It was incredible. And as my mother said, it was the perfect antidote to the women wrestlers' challenge."

MR: I thought the wrestling divas challenge was fun.

TG: "I did too. It was like, everybody, relax! Have fun."

MR: My least favorite challenge was the Tiki Barber one.

TG: "Uuuuhhh. People ask me all the time, why don't you have menswear challenges? If we really built them into this, we'd need people with experience in it … and it's a different sensibility."

MR: And a different skill set, to a certain degree.

TG: "Absolutely."

MR: Truly tailored menswear takes weeks to make.

TG: "Indeed. They were really derailed by that challenge. And given that Heidi declared that [the winning look] needed to be three pieces, I still don't get how Jack won - he had two pieces. I don't know why Jillian didn't win. Same with the Hershey's challenge, she was the only one who used edible ingredients."

MR: It must be hard to think up challenges, four or five seasons in.

TG: "I'm with you. I've even suggested for Season 5 that we bring back the best challenges of the past four seasons. I'd love to go back to Gristede's, the grocery store, [from Season 1]. And you know no one's going to buy corn."

MR: But if they could use corn in a cool, new way, they'd be a legend. So do you still have a lot of celebrities clamoring to come on the show in some capacity or be guest judges?

TG: "I hope so. Part of the challenge is, we tape in June and it's hard for designers, they're either away or in the midst of getting ready for September [collections]. But they're still eager to be on the show. I still remember calling Diane von Furstenberg to be on the show, I called her twice before the first season. [The answer was,] 'No, I don't know, traveling…' Then after the third episode aired in Season 1, she called and said, 'Why didn't you tell me about this episode, I would love to have done this!' [laughter] 'Diane, I did call you.'

MR: So there's going to be fifth season. Are you signed on to be part of that?

TG: "I am."

MR: How many seasons are you signed for at this point?

TG: "I'm only looking through season 5 at this point. Then we'll take it from there."

MR: Do you not want to speak about what you're under contract for?

TG: "I'll tell you that things are in flux and I don't know beyond Season 5. I'm just thrilled to have a Season 5. People ask me, 'Aren't you tired of this?' How could I possibly be tired of this? It's invigorating and inspiring. I am the luckiest guy in the world."

MR: Moving on to "Tim Gunn's Guide to Style," what's going on with that?

TG: "I don't know if Bravo has announced that we are doing another season, but we are."

MR: What's your feeling about the show, are you happy with it?

TG: "[Pause.] Well, my pause tells you something. Bravo showed a couple episodes to three test audiences after the whole thing had been filmed. Never underestimate or trivialize how an audience feels about a show. Their critique of it was so superb and so right on that I was elated.

"They want more education in the show. They want to learn more. They want to get rid of the underwear drawer and so do I. Thank God for [co-host] Veronica [Webb] because I could never have done that. They like the underwear lesson but they don't like the humiliating aspect of it. Going forward we're going to have much more in the way of education and learning and I'm thrilled about that, because that's what I do."

MR: I liked the parts where you visited designers. But if you could ban the word "lifestylist"…

TG: "You're absolutely right."

MR: When will you film the new season?

TG: "Around 'Runway,' before and after [the filming of Season 5]. Which almost killed me last year but we're going to do it again."

MR: Was last year just too much? You had a new job, a book coming out, your own show, a season of "PR."

TG: "It was a combination of a new taping/production experience that I'd never had. My only point of departure is 'PR' and I love doing 'Runway.' There's nothing about it that's even remotely contrived. 'Guide to Style' was more what I think it would be like to do scripted television, but we didn't have a script.

"It was 7 a.m. call times every day, at the latest - sometimes 5 a.m. calls. Mo, we never had a camera going before noon. Why those early calls? Why hanging around the set? It was painful to say the least. I love [executive producer] Scott Stone, I can't say enough positive things about him and about Sarah Jane Cohen, who came from 'What Not to Wear.' [They are] incredibly wonderful, talented people, but we need to get our act together for Season 2. And we will. It certainly helps knowing what worked and what didn't work.

"In terms of what didn't work, we had this thing called a Fashion Therapy Kit, and I would present it to our subject on the last day of taping, the day of the reveal to the family. And I'd give them [the book 'Tim Gunn: A Guide to Quality, Taste and Style'], with it already inscribed to her. And the person is, generally speaking, touched by the gift."

"So we have a new director, and it's Episode 6. This new director calls out from the production room, 'Um, could we do that again and see a little less of the book?' So I said, 'Yeah.' We did it again. He says, 'No, I'm still seeing too much of the book.' I said, 'What's your issue with the book?' And he said, 'It just feels like a little too much self-promotion.'

"I paused, and then I said, 'Self-promotion? This show is based on this book.' He said, 'Well, I just want to see a little less of it.' So we do it again, and he said, 'No, I'm still seeing too much of the book.' So I said, 'I can take care of that.'

"I take the book, I walk through the set that is my office, I walk into the dressing room, where there is a window, and I throw the book out the window. I come back to my place on the set, and I say, 'You don't have to worry about seeing the book again.'"

"The crew and everyone is slackjawed. So then I say, because I'm on a roll at this point, 'Oh my gosh, I see more of those dreadful books on the bookshelf!' So I go over, I gather all the books up, I walk through the set, through the dressing room and throw all of them out the window. Then I return to my place on the set. So that's my one diva moment [laughs]."

MR: Well, it's a sensational one. I just want you to tell me you weren't on Fifth Avenue and hitting pedestrians on the head with your book.

TG: "No, it went out into an alleyway. And we were only on the second floor."

http://featuresblogs.chicagotribune.com/entertainment_tv/2008/03/project-runways.html

The above article explains why Victorya was pissed about Jack's exit in detail. It also further proves she's an intolerable bitch despite her valiant effort to keep Jack in the game.

I've tried to convince people at several different boards that Victorya's anger was about Jack having to leave, and no one believed me.

It was ridiculous what posters on this board speculated too. Very few people thought that she could be genuinely upset that Jack left. Everyone thought she was angry because their precious Chris March was brought back. Usually the simplest explanation is closer to the truth. Anyway, all her other hysterics are GOLD. And I love the Jay McCarrol stuff too. He must be a crazy genius not to want financial help for his line. It's not like he wasn't offered to be introduced to the right people who could make his own fashion line a reality. He had the opportunity and squandered it. So sad. Hopefully, Christian won't pull a Daniel V and get to big for his britches.