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fat little fingers		#801	[-]
Posts: 5044 (11/09/07 5:16 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	My usual argument is against making men Mothers and vise versa. But I think you may be right, TA. Peih-Gee the Warrior (ep4) And she is trying hard to keep her tribe intact and understand her enemies. Definitely Father behavior. Ashley said in ep1 that Peih-Gee shouldn't cry if she wants to be a leader and she hasn't cried since. Other than Peih-Gee and Eccentrics Denise and Courtney (both have said they are outsiders and will vote any way that serves them), we seem to be down to a mess of Brothers and Sisters. Rather than complain about the twist that killed off Father Aaron, I'll just wait and see what this will do to our funky F-4.
MissScamper		#802	[-]
Posts: 658 (11/10/07 12:08 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	And it just hit me (smack, right between the eyes) just why Courtney and John-Robert were always fighting. Both are Eccentrics, and they were duking it out for the rights to the position. As we wave good-bye to John-Robert, let's see what's left: PG - Parent Denise - M? Courtney - E Amanda - D Todd - S Erik - S Frosti - S James - S Traditional FF4 rules indicate that, based on who's left, our F4 most likely will consist of: Parent (PG or Denise) Daughter (Amanda) Son (Todd, Erik, James or Frosti) Eccentric (Courtney) f I had to call it today, I'd say our F4 will be PG, Amanda, Todd and Courtney. Next boot: We have way too many Sons right now, so I'd say one of them goes next. Except, of course, that PG seems to be the next in line for the boot. Maybe she wins immunity? Last Edited By: MissScamper 11/14/07 11:23 AM. Edited 2 times.
fat little fingers		#803	[-]
Posts: 5063 (11/14/07 3:05 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	It seems all the potential Parents getting the boot has taken all the steam out of Family Final 4 this season. Will watch and wait. After Aaron's comment that the tribe "...chicks don't need a mother hen anymore." at Leslie's boot, I wonder how much we at Sucks and FF4 actually influence how the survivors are playing the game these seasons! Certainly, playing the Mom role has been identified by some of the older women as a way to survive. Lydia said in a confessional that she was using it as a conscious strategy. Aaron seemed to recognize that Leslie was trying the same thing.
Sploch		#804	[-]
Posts: 867 (11/14/07 6:15 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	i think that assumes that leslie had a strategy
MissScamper		#805	[-]
Posts: 660 (11/16/07 11:22 AM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I'm starting to think TPTB decided they wanted to screw around with Edgic and FF4 this time so we couldn't use our normal tools to pick the winner. Ah, well, what've we got to work with now? I was right, we did lose one of the Sons this week, but we still have too many of them hanging around. And Courtney appeared very D like this time, and not at all as an E. So, here's how I classify them: S - Todd, James, Erik D - Admanda, Courtney E - PG, Denise? P - Denise? PG was annoying everyone, and her tribemates say she took John-Robert's place (as E), but I just can't classify Denise. She feels on the outside of her tribe. James straight out lies to her face about informing her of the JR boot. I think Denise goes soon, leaving our group parentless.
birdlady		#806	[-]
Posts: 703 (11/16/07 11:46 AM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	E = The Es are obvious. You could think of them as OTT in edgic in a way--except that their eccentricity colors everything about them. These people are just...how do I say this?...odd. A little weird. If there was a question about a person being an E or something else, they are probably something else. [sometimes isolated/hermitlike, sometimes well-liked/drunken/odd hobbied] Just because you're an outsider doesn't mean you're E, and just because you are E doesn't mean you will be an outsider, right? I have: Amanda - dutiful D Courtney - cute D Denise - awkward spinster D? Obviously in real life she's a mother, and she's pretty much be the mother of everyone left out there, but she doesn't take the lead like a parent. Erik - S James - S Peih-Gee - parent (more M this week) Todd - S
Lady V	F6	#807	[-]
Posts: 642 (12/06/07 1:42 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	So, we are at F6, and the only 2 parentish people left are still there, hanging out with a bunch of young'ins. P-G, Denise: F/M, certainly not the best we've ever seen Amanda, Courtney: daughters Erik, Todd: sons THis is what we had after episode 1: "Fei Long Aaron F (5/5)* Denise M (4/5) (some E) or Leslie M (4/5) (also some E) Amanda D (5/5)* Courtney D (5/5)* Todd S (5/5)* James S (4/5) (some E) Jean-Robert E (5/5) (also some S) "Aaron is clear F. Battle for M between Denise and Leslie, one of which will be gone before F6. Jean-Robert is strongest E. Aaron, Amanda, Courtney, and Todd are clear kids, with James less clear. "Zhan Hu Dave F (5/5) Peih-Gee M (4/5) (with some F) Jamie D (5/5) Sherea D (4/5) (maybe an emerging M?) Frosti and Erik S (5/5) "Dave is clear F. Battle for M may ensue between Sherea and Peih-Gee, or Peih-Gee needs to become more motherly and less fatherly. Jamie, Frosti, and Erik are clear kids. "At this Very Early point, F6: Aaron or Dave (F) Denise or Leslie/Peih-Gee or Sherea (M) [these inner-tribe battles should be worked out before merge] Jean-Robert (E) (although several on F-L have E, too) and 3 of: Amanda, Courtney, Todd, Jamie, Frosti, Erik" Fathers, GONE. Eccentric, GONE. Denise/PG and 4 kids are still there.
Lady V		#808	[-]
Posts: 643 (12/06/07 1:46 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	**~~ THE THREE FF4 PREDICTIONS AT THIS F6 POINT: ~~ 1) the F6 will contain an E, an F, an M, and some kids. (12 of 15 seasons) Not this time; neither the E nor best Fs are there. 2) the winner will not be E. (0/15) CORRECT! 3) There will not be 2 Fs or 2Ms in the F6 (0/15). Hm. Are we counting P-G as F or M? Is Denise M? What a weird season. I like the family seasons so much better. :)
Kitty Pryde1		#809	[-]
Posts: 1003 (12/06/07 1:49 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	If Peih-Gee is an F and Denise is an M, Courtney COULD be an E (very easily, actually).
Lady V	Family Final Four!	#810	[-]
Posts: 644 (12/14/07 9:50 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	We have: Denise M Todd S Amanda D Courtney D/E (she has been getting much more E-ish since Jean-Robert left) 1) the F6 will contain an E, an F, an M, and some kids. (12 of 15 seasons) Nope. 2) F4 will not contain two people with the same role. (11 of 15) CORRECT! (unless we maintain Courtney is a D) 3) There will not be 2 Fs or 2Ms in the F6 (0/15). ? Did we resolve that P-G was an M or an F or a parent? 4) the F2 will not be two dads nor two moms. (0/15) CORRECT! Now the FF4 predictions for F2 and winner: 5) the F2 generally will not be two kids. (3 of 14) However, in the rare case the F2 is two kids, at least one will be an "unusual" child with strong "adult" (leader) tendencies. Looks like it is very possible to have two kids in the F2 this time--if Todd is F2, he'd be that "leader" type of kid. 6) the winner will not be E. (0/14) Unless it is Courtney, and we agree she is an E. What a weird season this is! 7) If a parent (Denise) is in the F2 with a non-parent, the parent will win. (7/8) These are both outside-of-FF4 predictions from wayyy back when that have held up most seasons: * At F4, the second most likeable (Amanda) has the best chance; the least likeable (Courtney) can't win (Kirblar's observation). * The most popular person (Denise or Amanda) going into the F3 has NEVER WON the Final IC (Craig's observation). As of after ep 11, DENISE is the most popular (!) at 21%, followed by Amanda at 16%, and Todd at 14%. Courtney has 3%.
Lady V	Historical FF4 data	#811	[-]
Posts: 645 (12/14/07 9:53 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Winner first, second place is second, and so on... S1: F,D,M,E S2: M,S,F,D S3: S,M,F,E S4: M,D,M,F S5: F,S,M,E S6: D,E,S,F S7: M,E,S,D S8: D,S,M,F S9: F,E,M,D S10: F,D,S,D S11: D,D,S,M (this being the first no-F in F4 season--F left at F7) S12: S,D,F,M S13: S,E,D,M (this being the second no-F in F4 season--F left at F7) S14: F,M/S,E (only an F3, so hard to tell who was 2nd and who 3rd) S15: in no particular order yet: M, S, D, D/E (this being the third no-F in F4 season--last F left at F7? someone please check me on that) Happy watching, everyone! ~:)
birdlady		#812	[-]
Posts: 794 (12/15/07 11:55 AM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	In one of her post-broadcast interviews, Peih-Gee referred to her role as "den mother". Which is sort of a gender crossing role - it's a mother, obviously, but in a lets-make-camp-in-the-woods sort of way, not in a nurturing, homemaking way. I've still got: Denise - hardworking dutiful daughter Amanda - smart ambitious daughter Courtney - cute baby daughter Todd - son
fat little fingers		#813	[-]
Posts: 5153 (12/16/07 12:07 AM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	It was a season in which the twist targeted the Fathers and the Mothers (Leslie and maybe Peih-Gee) were rejected. I still see Denise as the Eccentric. She's stayed outside of the sibling relationships and has been the loyal "low man on the totem pole" as she said this episode. I don't like what the twist has done to FF4 this year, Lady V. As the farmers say, "There's always next season." ;-)
Lady V	S15 final	#814	[-]
Posts: 646 (12/17/07 2:05 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Winner first, second place is second, and so on... S1: F,D,M,E S2: M,S,F,D S3: S,M,F,E S4: M,D,M,F S5: F,S,M,E S6: D,E,S,F S7: M,E,S,D S8: D,S,M,F S9: F,E,M,D S10: F,D,S,D S11: D,D,S,M * (F voted out F7) S12: S,D,F,M S13: S,E,D,M * (F voted out F7) S14: F,M/S,E (only an F3, so hard to tell who was 2nd and who 3rd) S15: S,D,D/E,M (F3 season again) only seasons with no F in F4 edited to add: in the last 7 seasons, only one winner has been female...
Lady V	S15 postmortem	#815	[-]
Posts: 647 (12/17/07 2:15 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Well, holy moly. I did not like how this season turned out. I'm not partial to the schemers being the winner, it seems. It surprised me Amanda was not able to argue her case well during the final tribal council--she had a lot of points she could have made, if she had appealed to the tribe's family feelings. But perhaps the reason Todd won was because this was another Neverland tribe of kids, with no strong parental figures, and therefore, no strong family feelings, so a self-aggrandizing, manipulative player could easily win. Interesting how Courtney became tearful about Leslie and Sherea... the lost moms... Next season should be different. I wonder if the past players will keep their past family identity, or will change, as Rupert did from S7 to S8. I also wonder how many of the 'fans' are posters on Sucks (!). Very exciting. Will they all try to position themselves as schemers now, since the fathers are being axed sooner over the past few seasons overall? I would give the fans an advantage, since they all know all of the favorites. Seeing the survivors on the reunion show clarified some things about their roles. Sherea, for instance, behaved quite unlike a typical mother, and she behaved quite unlike one on the show, as well. I agree with FLF--Denise was the outsider, and I could see her as eccentric. It seems to me we had a lot of eccentric behavior on the show this season: Jean-Robert, Denise, James, Courtney (who was classic E during the last 2 eps). I suppose they had to play that up just for something interesting, since they had SO many kids. Ah, well. Bring on S16!
Lady V	FF4 results S15	#816	[-]
Posts: 648 (12/17/07 2:20 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	1) the F6 will contain an E, an F, an M, and some kids. (12 of 15 seasons) INCORRECT 2) F4 will not contain two people with the same role. (11 of 15) CORRECT (w/Courtney as E and Denise as M, or Courtney as D and Denise as E or M) 3) There will not be 2 Fs or 2Ms in the F6 (0/15). CORRECT (with P-G as an odd parental role) 4) the F2 will not be two dads nor two moms. (0/15) CORRECT 5) the F2 generally will not be two kids. (4/15) However, in the rare case the F2 is two kids, at least one will be an "unusual" child with strong "adult" (leader) tendencies. CORRECT on the latter point, incorrect on the former 6) the winner will not be E. (0/15) CORRECT 7) If a parent is in the F2 with a non-parent, the parent will win. (7/8) n/a Outside-of-FF4 predictions that have held up most seasons: * At F4, the second most likeable (Amanda) has the best chance; the least likeable (Courtney) can't win (Kirblar's observation). *INCORRECT about Amanda, CORRECT about Courtney The most popular person (Denise or Amanda) going into the F3 has NEVER WON the Final IC (Craig's observation). n/a--no final IC at F3
fat little fingers		#817	[-]
Posts: 5173 (12/18/07 6:38 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	2) F4 will not contain two people with the same role. (11 of 15) **CORRECT (w/Courtney as E and Denise as M, or Courtney as D and Denise as E or M) I agree with this. Courtney was always OTT in her outrageous, yet honest comments, but seemed very much the Sister. But she also had aspects of the outsider (as she herself often pointed out) and Todd and Amanda originally decided to bring her in as an expendable weakling. Denise also had the attributes of the Eccentric. She too called herself an outsider and she never had sibling-like relationships with the others. She also had Mother aspects in her talk of her age and her her family and children. At the end she and others talked of her jury strength as her having children.
Lady V	S17: Fans vs. Favorites	#818	[-]
Posts: 649 (02/08/08 12:29 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Well, here we are again. So soon, so soon. Loads of time given to the Favorites--makes sense, I guess. I didn't even get the names of all of the fans, and have a much less clear sense of them FF4 wise. Here's what I have: AIRAI Kathy E "Foot in mouth" "crazy lady" Chet (gay) Alexis James S Joel Jason: first to speak MALAKAL Cerie: invisible except for "I don't know what I'm doing" Ozzy S Amy M (from last time, mostly) Jonathan F (ditto) Eliza D James S Parvati D Yau-Man (fire) E (almost knocking out JF) Amanda (never have been totally clear about her, but so far, D) Two alliance: Ozzy-Amanda, James-Parvati S,D,S,D Amy-Eliza-Jonathan-YauMan M,D,F,E <-- more likely to succeed from a FF4 perspective Last Edited By: Lady V 02/13/08 11:27 PM. Edited 1 times.
Tyran Amiros		#819	[-]
Posts: 219 (02/08/08 2:58 AM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Favorites seemed pretty easy to identify, and not just because they're more familiar. Jon seemed to take naturally to the F role again (comments on JFP) Amy-M Yau Man-E (he's just kinda wacky) Eliza, Amanda, Pavarti-D Ozzy, James-S Cerie-? We didn't see enough of her. Fans- Wacky Kathy-E Chet-E? One guy seemed kinda F-ish to me and the young guy and the big guy seemed S. Honestly I can't remember any of the Fan women besides Kathy. More to come next week.
Beefcake		#820	[-]
Posts: 356 (02/08/08 1:35 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	The Ami/Jonathan/Eliza/YM looks solid: a M, F, D and E. Especially compared to the "Kids Alliance" (James/Amanda/Pavarti/Ozzy) of sons and daughters. Where is Cirie?? Maybe the kids will look for a mom?

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