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I liked Chantal. She would have been a much better winner than half the girls in that cycle let alone Seleisha!
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I look at the couture runways and I never see anyone that looks like Jaslene or Danielle. Actually, they all look like mAnn and Heather.Actually, you're wrong. As MAnn and heather are too thick for couture and they're also brunettes. And the only reason why Jaslene or Danielle types aren't more couture fixtures is because there are virtually no models of color hired nowadays. Crossing Fashion's Thin White Line
Criticism About a Lack of Ethnic Diversity on Runways Puts Attention on Casting Directors
By RACHEL DODES
February 1, 2008; Page B1 Earlier this week, fashion designer Peter Som and casting director Jennifer Venditti stood in his office studying five photos of pale, thin teenage girls with dirty-blond hair. "Weird," said Mr. Som, scanning the teens in the photos. "They're all the same." Ms. Venditti, who is hired by designers to cast models for their fashion shows, noted that "there are so many of these types. You could
do a whole show with them." She advised Mr. Som to pick no more than two of the five blondes to appear in his fashion show Monday.
Amid recent public criticism about the lack of ethnic diversity on fashion runways, the role of casting director is drawing more attention as New York's fashion week gets under way today. In the past, designers chose the models themselves. But now that designers are required to produce multiple collections, make media appearances and court celebrities, the job of casting director is usually outsourced to specialists like Ms. Venditti. Her specialty: navigating models' competing schedules, negotiating with frantic designers and fighting with agents. Bethann Hardison, a former model who has been organizing efforts to raise awareness about the lack of color among runway models, says the growing power of casting directors, many of whom cast multiple shows, is part of the problem. "Everybody gets into this Stepford Wives mentality," says Ms. Hardison, a black woman who modeled in the '70s, when there was a big demand for black models. She notes that designers now all are looking to hire many of the same models, who tend to be white and very thin.
Just who is responsible for diversity on the runway depends on whom you ask. Casting directors say they work for the designers, so if the designers decide ethnic models don't fit their aesthetic, they don't hire them. Designers gripe that they would use more minority models, but the agencies don't send any "good" ones. And the modeling agencies say they aren't scouting and developing many minority models because the market hasn't been demanding their services. A designer's goal with an expensive fashion show is to keep attention on his or her clothes, not the models. That's why, many designers privately explain, they don't like to hire distinctive-looking models, either ethnically or otherwise. But the public concern has put so much pressure on the industry that some say they have to change. "The tricky thing about this business is that [designers and casting directors] can always say it's a matter of personal and aesthetic freedom," says Roman Young, an agent at Elite Model Management. "You wonder, 'Are they racist or are they just dumb?'" Mr. Young says he hasn't been aggressively scouting models of color because, until now, designers haven't demanded them. Very young, newly scouted models are highly in demand every season since the market likes fresh, unknown faces. African-American models like Iman and Naomi Campbell broke through the race barrier long ago. And several Asian, Latina and black models routinely appear on the runways. Chanel Iman, a 16-year-old black model, is particularly in demand this season.
For casting director Ms. Venditti, the recent conversations about ethnicity have emboldened her to push harder for diversity this season. When one of her client's stylists said she didn't need to book a second black model because they already had one, Ms. Venditti says she told her, "They're both beautiful. Why can't you have two?" At Mr. Som's casting call this week, he explained that his fall collection was inspired by the social outcasts captured in the photographs of Diane Arbus. He was seeking models with a "loopy and loony" vibe, he said. After casting the two blondes, Mr. Som asked Ms. Venditti how many ethnic models were on the roster. She told him there were four -- two black and two Asian -- out of a then-selected cast of 18. "I do not want an all-white cast," he says. "But there's always room for improvement." Ms. Venditti, now 35 years old, once modeled in a fashion show for the local Saks Fifth Avenue near where she grew up. But when a scout from the John Casablancas modeling school began calling her house and leaving messages, she never returned the calls, explaining now that she preferred to be in charge of shaping the image, not the image itself. She moved to New York, working first at KCD, a fashion-show production company and then as a free-lance stylist. She started her own company, JV8 Inc., in 1998. For her first casting job, she found a homeless woman and a local band for a photo shoot in W magazine. Advertisers like Gap and Benetton began calling to request her services. Ms. Venditti quickly developed a reputation for finding unusual characters for modeling jobs. For a photo shoot in Detroit, fashion photographer Bruce Weber asked Ms. Venditti to bring him a local guy to appear alongside supermodel Kate Moss in a fashion spread for W magazine's September 2006 issue. Ms. Venditti camped outside a high-school prom at Detroit's Lewis Cass Technical High School. The following morning, she presented Mr. Weber with photos of a tall Puerto Rican student in a tuxedo. "I thought, 'Wow, this guy is so beautiful,'" Mr. Weber recalls. When Ms. Venditti informed him that the student was a female, Mr. Weber decided to use her in the shoot instead of a young man. As for whether the industry will ever change, Ms. Venditti says it's all about whether racial diversity becomes the latest fashion trend.
"In general, [the industry] is a bunch of followers," she says. But "the conversation has started."
Black Fashion Industry Insiders Ask: Where Are The Black Models? Now that fashion week is over, today's WWD poses a question: Where were the black models? "Everyone is always talking about the weight issue," photographer and America's Next Top Model judge Nigel Barker says. "I think they should be talking about race." Barker says that the celebrity designers -- not the ready-to-wear or couture ones -- are willing to use a wider range of models. And, in our experience, it was the "outsider" shows, not held in the tents -- Baby Phat/KLS, Heatherette -- in which we saw black (and Asian) women walking the runway. Last Friday, at a panel discussion called "The Lack of the Black Image in Fashion Today," WWD reports that Bethann Hardison, a former model and founder of casting company Bethann Management, says "In the United States of America, this is the one industry that still has the freedom to refer to people by their color and reject them in their work. I came up in the Sixties. I feel it's the worst it's ever been." The underrepresentation of black women on the runway comes despite the fact that, according to estimates by Targetmarketnews.com, black women alone spend more than $20 billion on apparel each year. And though there is a lack of black models, designers and photographers, there is a noticeable increase in Asian models, designers and executives in the industry, says WWD. Of the 101 shows and presentations posted on Style.com, 31 appear to have no black models. Most of those who did use black models opted for one or two. However, Heatherette, Diane von Furstenberg, Charles Nolan, Tracy Reese, Yigal Azrouël, Philip Lim, Marc Jacobs, Jenni Kayne and Sue Stemp were among the designers who used more than two. Heatherette, von Furstenberg and Lam each opened their shows with a black model. In fact, von Furstenberg closed her show with the opening girl, too, and the first 10 models at Heatherette appeared to be women of color. Naomi
Campbell, who flew in from London for the panel discussion, recalled how Christy Turlington once told Dolce & Gabbana, "If you don't use Naomi,
you don't get us," referring to herself and Linda Evangelista. Designer Tracy Reese, who is black, was also on the panel. She said that her booker has
to request certain (black) models, otherwise the agencies will not send them.
Not one to let a subject like this pass her by, Tyra Banks is working on a segment for her show about race in the fashion industry, according to Fashionista. Chanel Iman, who opened the Heatherette show (and was sort of on the cover of Vogue) will be a guest on the Tyra's program. The defense of designers who opt for girls who all look alike is often that they want the focus to be on the clothes and not the models. But when a designer sends out a collection on a runway, he or she is offering up a vision of an ideal world. However you feel about the fashion industry or modeling itself, is it not disturbing that so many designers consider a perfect world to be one without any black people?
Where Were the Black Models?
The dominance of white models in last week's New York fashion shows wasn't lost on attendees. Fashion photographer and "America's Next Top Model" judge Nigel Barker said, "Everyone is always talking about the weight issue, I think they should be talking about race." In the midst of taking in 15 shows, he said he was "somewhat surprised" by the predominantly white casting at many of them. "I understand the idea it's based on. It's almost as though each girl is a clothes hanger. If each is seen as being the same, you're not going to focus on the girl, you're going to be focused on the clothes." Often it's the celebrity designers, not the ready-to-wear or couture ones, who are willing to use a wider range of models, Barker said. "Showing different girls of different shapes and ethnicities involves taking a risk and some are not willing to take that risk." More often than not, diverse casting was not the norm. Steven Kolb, executive director of the Council of Fashion Designers of America, said the variety of ethnicities in Phillip Lim's and Diane von Furstenberg's shows jumped out at him. "There were a lot of different types of ethnicities. Is it any different than in past seasons? That's a hard thing to compare. But it has been fairly white. Theirs was more the exception than the rule," said Kolb. "Is that a reflection of the shows or modeling? Is it intentional? I don't think so. The fashion industry has always been known to have a real mix of people," added Kolb. Patti LaBelle, who performed after Zang Toi's fashion show, said, "When you go to a fashion show, you may see one black model. It's so sad that it's so one-sided. I thought it was so admirable that Zang had so many types of models. When I go to a fashion show, I want to see me." After the Luca Luca show, Irina Pantaeva said, "I see an Asian girl here and there, but it seems like it has always been that way. It seems like they can't have more than one or two, and it's the same with African-American models." A greater mix seems rudimentary "especially in New York City, the capital of the word, where all types of cultures and classes come together. Fashion in New York City should naturally represent that," she said. When casting for her show, Kai Milla said she looks for someone interesting and who fits into her clothes. "I think great models are of all ethnicities. We're living in the real world and the real world exists with a real mixed group of people. What we as fashion designers show in magazines and on the runway is really important to young girls because it affects their self image," she said. Maybe the borderless business is being interpreted in unusual ways. One executive at a major design firm noted matter-of-factly, "We use all types of girls: English, Irish, American, Swedish. There is always a mix." Mark Badgley said, "It's true I see many collections where it's one certain look or the girls are made up to look exactly the same. We like a little variety. I think it's nice to use some of the young girls, some of the more established girls. That's always what our shows are kind of about." After modeling for Temperley, Rosa Cha and others, Solange Wilvert said she didn't think the casting in Bryant Park was drastically different than in seasons past. "Maybe there aren't many black models," she suggested. http://www.wwd.com/article/print/118886
Little Diversity in Fashion: African-Americans Bemoan Their Absence in Industry
Is there discrimination in the fashion business?
"You bet," was the consensus at a panel discussion addressing the dearth of black models in fashion, with Naomi Campbell, Iman, Liya Kebede and Bethann Hardison leading the charge. The situation was starkly evident during last week's New York shows and some say it's worse in Europe, where most black models don't even bother to try to book shows in Milan. And the problem isn't only in the modeling world; observers also pointed to the scarcity of black designers, photographers and executives in the fashion industry as a major issue. By not including more blacks in their shows and ads, Ivan Bart, senior vice president of IMG Models, said designers and other fashion companies are missing out on black women's spending power. "By not having black women represented, those luxury brands are saying they can't afford it," he said. According to estimates by Targetmarketnews.com, black women spend more than $20 billion on apparel alone each year. After more than two hours of spirited exchanges at Friday's "The Lack of the Black Image in Fashion Today," the standing-room-only crowd at the Bryant Park Hotel cheered at André Leon Talley's suggestion to set up a meeting with the Council of Fashion of Designers of America to address the issue. That is expected to be scheduled after an Oct. 15 public discussion at the New York Public Library. Hardison, who has modeled, run her own modeling agency and handled casting over the years, said, "In the United States of America, this is the one industry that still has the freedom to refer to people by their color and reject them in their work." And she doesn't see things improving anytime soon. "I came up in the Sixties. I feel it's the worst it's ever been." More than anything, she hoped the discussion would raise people's awareness of the lack of black women on the runways and in magazines, and ultimately encourage those in power to make some changes. Singling out the late Richard Avedon, who refused to work with Harper's Bazaar in the late Seventies after the magazine declined to hire China Machado for his shoot, Hardison spurred on attendees to get industry insiders more involved. Daniel Wolf, a Washington-based attorney who specializes in civil and human rights, said the assumption being made in the fashion industry is that it is legal to discriminate - however false. Wolf recommended that modeling agencies hire the same percentage of black models that are in the entire modeling industry. Kebede, the first black model to be hired by Estée Lauder, said, "It's important for the agencies to have more black girls. But if the magazines and designers are not going to hire them, that's it at the end of the day." Hardison insisted she is not motivated by legal action, stressing she only wants further discussion - and eventually change. The lack of black designers and photographers only adds to the problem, attendees said. Stephen Burrows and B. Michael are still on the scene, and more recently Tracy Reese, Rachel Roy, Kimora Lee Simmons, Patrick Robinson and Sean "Diddy" Combs are among those non-Caucasian designers making names for themselves in women's fashion. The lack of blacks in all aspects of fashion - from the runway to the executive suite - comes as there is a noticeable increase in the number of Asian models, designers and executives in the industry. Among designers, for example, Thakoon Panichgul, Peter Som, Doo-Ri Chung, Derek Lam, Phillip Lim, and Benjamin Cho have all sprung onto the scene. Of course, designers like Vera Wang, Yeohlee Teng, Anna Sui and Vivienne Tam had already helped pave the way. Of the 101 shows and presentations posted on Style.com, 31 appear to have no black models. Most of those who did use black models opted for one or two. However, Heatherette, Diane von Furstenberg, Charles Nolan, Tracy Reese, Yigal Azrouël, Philip Lim, Marc Jacobs, Jenni Kayne and Sue Stemp were among the designers who used more than two. Heatherette, von Furstenberg and Lam each opened their shows with a black model. In fact, von Furstenberg closed her show with the opening girl, too, and the first 10 models at Heatherette appeared to be women of color. Campbell, who flew in from London for the occasion, recalled how Christy Turlington once told Dolce & Gabbana, "If you don't use Naomi, you don't get us," referring also to Linda Evangelista. Campbell said that's how she also got into Helmut Lang, Prada and Versace. She used a different route with French Vogue, appealing to Yves Saint Laurent, whose campaigns she had worked on for three years running. The magazine relented after the designer threatened to pull his advertising, which at the time was reportedly the publication's largest advertiser. "In my days of drinking and drugging, I'd be numbing myself just going along with the calendar," Campbell said. "I was tired and fed up and I wasn't sure why I was doing it. But if I didn't, there wouldn't be any representation [of black models at all]." Iman said she felt strongly about organizing a union for models, noting it's the only huge industry that does not have one. "Models don't have a union. They don't have a voice. No one speaks for them. Thank God I'm not a model anymore." The fact that magazines are often run by people who are not from the U.S. and do not share its history is another factor, Hardison said. But even if a model is a citizen of a particular country, it doesn't always make a difference. Campbell claimed she has asked for a British Vogue cover, but was told a celebrity had to run instead. "I cannot even get a cover in my own country - not because I don't sell - in fact I sell more than all of my white counterparts." Campbell last appeared on W's cover in June 2007. Reached by phone last week, publicists at three American fashion magazines said the most recent African-Americans on their covers were celebrities. Halle Berry was the most recent African-American woman to appear on the cover of Harper's Bazaar in August 2004; Beyoncé graced Elle's December 2006 cover; Vogue gave Jennifer Hudson the March cover, while Chanel Iman was featured along with nine nonblack models on Vogue's May cover. Bill Blass' former designer, Michael Vollbracht, recalled the days when booking Sheila Johnson, Pat Cleveland and other leading African-American beauties was a given. After returning to the industry after a 15-year hiatus, he was surprised to learn that was no longer the case. Age is also an issue, Vollbracht said. Cleveland's return to the Blass runway in 2004 was not well-received, Vollbracht said. "I was told, 'Don't ever put that girl back on the runway.'" Campbell herself will be casting for 10 black models this week for a charity fashion show Thursday. Her initial request for black models fell on deaf ears. But at the symposium, she scoffed at reports she is starting a modeling agency, explaining that she is working with the Aga Khan to develop an empowerment program for girls in Africa. Reese raised another issue, noting designers don't want models who stand out on the runway. Her own casting calls for a mix of people, but the designer admitted that "finding black models can be a challenge." On occasion Reese's booker has to request specific girls or the modeling agencies will not send them, Reese said. In addition, designers' quest for a unified look has left its mark on the industry. She said, "Personality has been so beaten out of fashion. That whole mood has to change." Hardison chalked up that lack of charisma on the runway to companies' focus on building their brands. "Everything is about branding now. When something is so commerce-driven, creativity is gone." http://www.wwd.com/issue/article/118885?page=0
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Thanks for the articles. When you look at the Calvin Klein models it looks almost like one girl photo-shopped into a line.
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was watching Cycle 1 again this past weekend, my god how Elyse is amazing
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Elite didn't send Saleisha out for castings but she walked in the Tibi show today. Did Tyra make that happen? Does anyone have any ~dirt~?
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I love Naomi but someone needs to point out to her crazy ass that she's been on the cover of British Vogue at least 5 times.
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Maybe Ann is but theres no way Heather is too thick for cotoure. She was one of the skinniest models on the show.
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Did Tyra make that happen?I just figured that to be the case. I think it's crazy the lengths that Tyra has gone to for that girl (and really herself). They must be related. |
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Heather didn't have a lot of extra fat, but she did look somewhat big-boned to me. She definitely didn't have the willowy body type that somebody like Lisa had... |
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^^^Let me clarify, none of these girls are fat, but they aren't current model tres thin either. As Drew out, only Lisa really even comes close to that
standard.
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I should be working. So now is the perfect time to post these pics, lol.
This was at the Essence Magazine Honors its Febuary 2008 Cover Model Tyra Banks Party at Roomservice on January 31, 2008 in New York City Tyra
Jay Manuel
YaYa
Bree
Keenya
Jaslene
Tyra, Jaslene and Jay
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YaYa and Bre on the same page!!! <3 <3 <3
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Hmmm, no Shiteisha at the party. I guess she's been wiped from Tyra's memory.
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Proof that ANTM is a racist show about keeping the white woman down. |
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Yaya is hot!
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Actually, you're wrong. As MAnn and heather are too thick for couture and they're also brunettes. And the only reason why Jaslene or Danielle types aren't more couture fixtures is because there are virtually no models of color hired nowadays.Actually, that's your opinion. And it is ridiculous. Please tell all those Brazilian models that hispanics are not hired. Ann and Heather are not thick, but I was talking about their faces. Hair color can be changed, in fact Ann was blond for a long time - but there are models with dark hair. I will agree though, most designer ads and runways have dirty blond models. |
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Keenyah <3
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Yeah, that's Samantha. What a sad early boot.Apparently she was scooped up by Elite immediately after her boot, so it actually turned out for the better for her. :) What was sad that she was given a lesbian and a tramp as her first two shoots - two roles that I'm sure she was not very comfortable playing. |
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Lovejonze wrote: Brazil = Lusitanic and all of the girls minus Bruna Tenorio doing couture (Raquel Zimmermann, Carol Trentini, Daiane Conterato, Carolina Pantoliano, Flavia Oliveira etc.) are
white.
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I'm loving the best-of episode. Especially Toccara (re: skank ho poured her beer in my weave) "I'd never been in a bar fight before. AND IT WAS SO
MUCH FUN." "Ann and Eva, that was just gay. I swear they were more than just friends."
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Why does Tyra sound so husky? Is she sick?
OMG there was a reference to cycle 1!!!! |
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