1/31/08 Ep1 "The Beginning of the End"

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pickledsquirrelnuggetss		#341	[-]
Posts: 863 (02/02/08 2:54 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Hurley went on a balcony and it collapsed. I had thought maybe it was Libbys party or something but she said David "got sick". I've always thought Dave being on the balcony could be a possibility.
NikosMom		#342	[-]
Posts: 11 (02/02/08 5:09 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I thought Dave was imaginary and not one of his friends that died in the accident. I thought the friends were the two in his flashback. If Hurley does see dead people, does he know it? I mean, can he tell the difference between the dead and the living? he's never met Jacob or Christian and has never been told about either. I'm not sure why they would make themselves visible to Hurley. Ana, Libby, Shannon, Boone and Eko died on the island and Hurley hasn't seen any of them. Which is odd, as Libby would be the one Hurley would want to see most. And technically, Charlie didn't die on the island, he died off shore. I'm also wondering what Locke meant by "it's the only place with some sort of security system" when he was referring to Othersville. Why does he need a security system? From the ones on the boat or from smokey or from Jack? Lostpedia reported that Matthew Abbadon is an anagram from What Bad Boatmen.
twentyfourletterusername		#343	[-]
Posts: 2 (02/02/08 5:24 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	NikosMom wrote: I thought Dave was imaginary and not one of his friends that died in the accident. I thought the friends were the two in his flashback. No, they were alive after Hurley won the lotto, which happened after he was out of the hospital.
pussycow		#344	[-]
Posts: 1537 (02/02/08 6:40 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I'm not sure if something on Lostpedia is a spoiler or not, but there is some info re: Libby's David and Hurley's Dave there. So click if you want to know http://lostpedia.com/wiki/David_%28Libby%27s_Husband%29
Merrilin		#345	[-]
Posts: 899 (02/02/08 7:40 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Thanks pussycow! From the aforementioned article about Dave: "Dave appears to be able to physically interact with Hurley, by slapping him and hitting him with coconuts. This interaction occurs in the hospital and on the Island but since nobody else is present at the time this incident may just have happened in Hurley's head." Charlie smacked Hurley to prove his realness too. What's the story with the guy who pointed Charlie out to Hurley though? Is that the guy (who's now dead too, btw) that was repeating the numbers at the station with the guy that was repeating the numbers to Hurley in the mental hospital before he used them in the lottery? And what did Charlie mean when he said he was dead but also here? Last Edited By: Merrilin 02/02/08 7:54 PM. Edited 1 times.
agent2424		#346	[-]
Posts: 2013 (02/02/08 10:30 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	hey i'm not really sure, but I think i remember not seeing that guy. After the guy pointed out Charlie and went behind Hurley, they showed the whole ground kind of thing, and the guy was gone... maybe I'm wrong or maybe Hurley imagined both, can someone check this out, not entirely sure ...
Omnipponit		#347	[-]
Posts: 4791 (02/03/08 12:57 AM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	It was Mikhail in the chair. Mikhail Jackson.
marfbear		#348	[-]
Posts: 53 (02/03/08 1:26 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Seriously - a lady that is helping you is struck in the back by a knife by crazy Locke.....and nobody checks her out to make sure she is dead? in fact, they just leave her lying there while everybody happily chats waiting to be rescued.... then she has the ability to get up, sneak off while your all there...with enough time to leave not 1 but 2 trails...WTF? Glad someone mentioned this. Our good doctor certainly fell a few notches this episode. Attempting to shoot Locke and failing to check to see if the woman he had no suspicion about was still alive. Is this the same guy that wouldn't quit pounding on Charlie after the hanging incident? Something caused Hurley to be institutionalized in the first place (I don't remember if it was ever revealed to us). Perhaps he was prone to hallucinations. He's certainly quick to believe things aren't real and count to five. If that's the case, then another delusional patient coming up and telling him some guy is watching him could have triggered Hurley's vision of Charlie. The other guy needn't have seen anybody. I don't believe that whoever is in the coffin could possibly be part of the famed Oceanic Six. If the flashbacks are to be believed, they became celebrities. Even with a beard Jack was recognized as "a hero twice over" (which I now believe meant not just saving two people from a burning car, but also for doing something heroic involved with the crash). The funeral director said that no one showed up for the viewing. Surely some member of the press would have come by, or a curiosity seeker. Even if Jack was the only one with a degree of fame, I could see people coming in hopes of seeing him. I'm leaning toward Michael under an alias.
dartmouth05	citrus?	#349	[-]
Posts: 30 (02/03/08 1:36 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	i don't think this has been mentioned yet, but was anyone else struck with the focus on citrus fruits in the first minute or so of the episode? lost comes back from a superlong hiatus and the first thing we see for what seemed like an eternity was a pile of citrus fruits before the car smashed into it. then, mixed in with footage of the car chase, is a weird focus on jack's orange juice (and drinking problem). am i just grasping for straws at this point? vitamin C? combined with H and O from the basketball game? were there any other letters in the episode that could be culled together and anagramed? maybe i should be in the nuthouse with hurley...
izad		#350	[-]
Posts: 4469 (02/03/08 3:16 AM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	omg omni
studentnurse2003		#351	[-]
Posts: 1536 (02/03/08 3:35 AM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	(1) The 'gays' holding hands - to me, at least, it looked more like an upside down, 'hey guy, good luck.' sorta thing. And trust e, i think EVERYONE is gay. This isn't the case. Just two guys saying 'take care' to one another. (2) Anyone else find the 'With your permission, Jack, I'd like to go with Locke' comment from Ben absolutely hysterical? I mean, actual laugh out loud funny?
izad		#352	[-]
Posts: 4470 (02/03/08 3:59 AM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	The guys weren't holding hands. One of them was taking Vincent's leash away from the other.
JerseyWall2		#353	[-]
Posts: 3832 (02/03/08 7:51 AM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I don't believe that whoever is in the coffin could possibly be part of the famed Oceanic Six. If the flashbacks are to be believed, they became celebrities. Even with a beard Jack was recognized as "a hero twice over" (which I now believe meant not just saving two people from a burning car, but also for doing something heroic involved with the crash). The funeral director said that no one showed up for the viewing. Surely some member of the press would have come by, or a curiosity seeker. Even if Jack was the only one with a degree of fame, I could see people coming in hopes of seeing him. I'm leaning toward Michael under an alias. Wouldn't Walt go to his dad's funeral, though?
pagonglover		#354	[-]
Posts: 3884 (02/03/08 8:42 AM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	This is late...but thanks Trix for the details!! ;)
pussycow		#355	[-]
Posts: 1539 (02/03/08 10:18 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	(2) Anyone else find the 'With your permission, Jack, I'd like to go with Locke' comment from Ben absolutely hysterical? I mean, actual laugh out loud funny? I did. Ben was in rare form this ep
Charming Nemesis		#356	[-]
Posts: 1958 (02/03/08 11:03 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I laughed very loudly on that line and proclaimed it brilliant out loud. Nobody else watching with me laughed.
Cheyenie		#357	[-]
Posts: 265 (02/03/08 1:53 PM) MESS member Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I actually preferred his comment about calling the freighter and telling that Naomi was getting a really big load of wood. At that point all Ben had was is smart-ass attitutde.
PoChop		#358	[-]
Posts: 1339 (02/03/08 2:49 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I don't see why the eye has to be someone else. Why can't it be Hurley looking out of the cabin? Maybe a Hurley from an alternate reality, or from the future? (Although I must admit it looks more like Desmond's eye.) Anyway, we've seen the duplicate bunny in the Comicon experiment video. Perhaps the Dharma people were trying to harness something that already ocurred naturally (or supernaturally) on the island. The shack may not be a real thing either but instead is how people might visualize the porthole to an alternate reality or realities. Yeah, sort of like an imaginary hollodeck projection into the mind. Maybe the shack is the magic box from whence things can come from when a person thinks about it or wishes it into being. But I really don't know what's going on yet. And something about the numbers... The watercolor set Hurley was using to paint the igloo drawing came in 16 colors. Also I can't remember the name of that game that Hurley was playing before visitor Mr. YabbaDabbaDo came in to talk to him. It's that game where you drop the disks into, with the holes in the game arranged in a 7x6 pattern, which of course is 42. Also behind Mr. YabbaDabbaDo's seated position at the chess game look at the stuff on the wall. There's a red sheet of paper with what looks more like a red blood smear and the word "Victory" drawn underneath it, although it could be the name Victor with a comma behind it. There are some daisy stickers on the wall with eight petals, sort of reminiscent of the dharma logo. There's also a drawing on brownish paper that has seven dharma-like logos although they could be daisies. Aren't there about 6 or 7 hatches?
WiscBadger95		#359	[-]
Posts: 10348 (02/03/08 2:49 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Catching up ... catspasms wrote: I'm now thinking Claire too, just because Desmond saw her getting off the island. Des saw Claire and Aaron get on a helicopter and take off. It could be that the Freighters just move them to another location on the island (or to the Hydra) for further experimentation. ptcruisn56 wrote: I for some reason thought Randy died in the Tricia Tanaka episode...did he not go into the restaurant with her? Nope. He and Hurley were standing outside the restaurant after it went boom. flashcal wrote: Mr. Abbadon = Mr. A Bad One Abbadon also sounds like "abandon," as in "Abandon hope, all ye who enter here." qv09vvp wrote: did dharma harness Jacob's power? It was said somewhere along the line that Dharma didn't fully understand the island. I think they realized that the island held special power, but had no clue why the island is what it is. In other words they had no clue that Jacob was even there. NikosMom wrote: I'm also wondering what Locke meant by "it's the only place with some sort of security system" when he was referring to Othersville. Why does he need a security system? From the ones on the boat or from smokey or from Jack? Protection against the Freighters, who, it is assumed, will cause harm to the folks on the island (via Ben's comment that everyone on the island is going to be killed). marfbear wrote: Something caused Hurley to be institutionalized in the first place (I don't remember if it was ever revealed to us). Perhaps he was prone to hallucinations. Quoting Lostpedia: "Growing up, Hugo (also known as Hurley, for an unknown reason), was in an accident. A deck collapsed and claimed the lives of two people. Hurley believed he was responsible due to his weight, even though the truth of the matter was the deck was built to hold eight people and was holding 23 during the accident. Due to his constant belief he was at fault and a deepening depression, Hurley's mother had him committed to the Santa Rosa Mental Health Institute ("Dave")." dartmouth05 wrote: i don't think this has been mentioned yet, but was anyone else struck with the focus on citrus fruits in the first minute or so of the episode? lost comes back from a superlong hiatus and the first thing we see for what seemed like an eternity was a pile of citrus fruits before the car smashed into it. They were papayas, and I read somewhere that it was an Easter egg placed there due to the fact that during the first few days on the island the Losties relied on papayas as a major source of food. In fact Hurley made mention of the fact that eating so many papayas was giving him the runs. dartmouth05 wrote: vitamin C? combined with H and O from the basketball game? were there any other letters in the episode that could be culled together and anagramed? maybe i should be in the nuthouse with hurley... Here are the "H" and "O" references, from Lostpedia: While playing horse with Hurley, Jack gets the letters "H" and "O". "H" is the 8th letter of the alphabet and "O" is the 15th - 815 * Behind Hurley as he's freaking out over Abbadon there's a small sculpture of the letters 'HO' on a shelf. * Hurley mentions Charlie's ghost showing up in the convenience store right next to the "Ho Ho's". JerseyWall2 wrote: Wouldn't Walt go to his dad's funeral, though? If he were still alive. A little more on Abbadon ... From Lostpedia: Abaddon: Abaddon is the name for the "Angel of the Abyss" in Revelation. This angel does the work of God in binding Satan and hurling him into the Abyss. "Abaddon" means "destroyer," or "destruction" in Hebrew. More precisely, this name comes from the Hebrew root word aleph-bet-daled, which means "lost". (Religion and ideologies) Also, when Hurley is talking to Abbadon, it has some of the popular black & white symbolism in it. Abbadon, is Black, and Hurley is White. Between them is a chess board, with Abbadon seated on the white side of the board and Hurley on the black side.
PoChop		#360	[-]
Posts: 1340 (02/03/08 2:59 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Actually Hurley is sitting to the side of the chessboard, with the black pieces on his left and the wihite pieces (and Mr. YabbaDabboDo) on his right. They are not facing each other across the board. Oh, and is the chess game set up the same way as the game that Locke played in the Arrow hatch? That would be nice to check. A black pawn and bishop are off the board. Is this a chess game from a famous match by any chance? Last Edited By: PoChop 02/03/08 3:01 PM. Edited 1 times.

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