Indecision '08: Why is Chelsea Clinton a candidate for president?

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Trixie Delight		#2981	[-]
Posts: 22769 (01/25/08 5:01 PM) put Angel in the corner More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	What happened to my home state? Jeez. I have a chance to meet Rudy on Sunday.
BobbyBrown06		#2982	[-]
Posts: 7244 (01/25/08 5:14 PM) Registered user More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Give him my condolences.
memyselfandi		#2983	[-]
Posts: 9549 (01/25/08 5:35 PM) Registered user More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	xbilkis wrote: TobaccoRhoda wrote: Illinois' current and recent past administraions have been so abysmal, and the legislature so heinous, that were I there I would hesitate to vote present, for I wouldn't want anyone to know I frequented the place. I think what is probably my favorite story involving the Illinois legislature was the guy who wedged a paperclip into the yes button so he could have it vote automatically while he went out and did some other shit. He's now in the US House of Representatives, I think. Illinois politics =D Yes. That was State Rep. Tim Johnson of Urbana now U.S. Rep. Tim Johnson of Urbana. Total asshole. And not just because he's a Republican. Then again I guess he had reason to hate students because the student newspaper once ran the joke headline "Johnson shakes hands, lies way into office"
SurvivorLDog93		#2984	[-]
Posts: 18736 (01/25/08 7:28 PM) Admin/Play-By-Play Guru OMEDETO, CATHY!! More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	hersavvyness wrote: what a piece of work. you knew this was coming... http://www.hillaryclinton.com/news/release/view/?id=5492 1/25/2008 Statement by Senator Hillary Clinton on the Seating of Delegates at the Democratic National Convention "I hear all the time from people in Florida and Michigan that they want their voices heard in selecting the Democratic nominee. "I believe our nominee will need the enthusiastic support of Democrats in these states to win the general election, and so I will ask my Democratic convention delegates to support seating the delegations from Florida and Michigan. I know not all of my delegates will do so and I fully respect that decision. But I hope to be President of all 50 states and U.S. territories, and that we have all 50 states represented and counted at the Democratic convention. "I hope my fellow potential nominees will join me in this. "I will of course be following the no-campaigning pledge that I signed, and expect others will as well." Has Hitlery's camp filed a lawsuit yet, attempting to award Michigan's non-existent delegates to her? If not, watch for a suit to be filed if she doesn't win big on Super Tuesday. If Michiganders knew the Dem primary counted, we would have seen a totally different turnout. Michiganders were told their primary would not count for delegates, and with basically a choice between Hillary and what they had already (nothing, since they had no delegates), Michiganders reacted accordingly by staying home in droves. Now the Clintons want Michigan delegates? But of course, it's always the Republicans who are disenfranchising people.
memyselfandi		#2985	[-]
Posts: 9552 (01/25/08 7:59 PM) Registered user More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	At this point I'm just hoping Barack runs this thing out to the convention so it has to be brokered and the Democrats wind up picking Al Gore. Anything to stop the CLINTONS! It is unhealthy for one family to control a political party for 20 years, as evident by the Bush family's disastrous stewardship of the Republican Party.
SurvivorLDog93		#2986	[-]
Posts: 18737 (01/25/08 8:58 PM) Admin/Play-By-Play Guru OMEDETO, CATHY!! More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Pretty much what hersavvyness posted, except now with hubris! Clinton roils vote dispute in presidential race By Ellen Wulfhorst 1 hour, 52 minutes ago ROCK HILL, South Carolina (Reuters) - Sen. Hillary Clinton, in an about-face, said on Friday she wants the Democratic Party delegates in two states that were barred by the national party to be reinstated and counted in the race to determine the party's U.S. presidential nominee. In those states, Michigan and Florida, Clinton could stake claim to nearly all the delegates to the nominating convention in question -- more than 350. She was the only candidate on the Democratic ballot in Michigan and holds a strong lead in Florida, which holds its contest on Tuesday. The national party eliminated the delegates from Michigan and Florida because the states broke party rules by holding primary voting contests before February 5. But just four days before Florida's primary, Clinton said she wants the delegates reinstated. http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080126/pl_nm/usa_politics_clinton_dispute_dc Rewriting party rules after a primary is one thing, but there is nothing like changing the final score after the game has been played.
pseudopoganandra		#2987	[-]
Posts: 11438 (01/25/08 9:10 PM) Registered user More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Someone explain to me the whole "barred by the national party" and the reason that some democrats don't seem to be running in certain states. Makes zero sense to me but I haven't really been following all this that closely.
Mister Yuck		#2988	[-]
Posts: 1347 (01/25/08 9:10 PM) Registered User More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	3000
memyselfandi		#2989	[-]
Posts: 9558 (01/25/08 9:24 PM) Registered user More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	pseudopoganandra wrote: Someone explain to me the whole "barred by the national party" and the reason that some democrats don't seem to be running in certain states. Makes zero sense to me but I haven't really been following all this that closely. Here's the deal. Basically Iowa and New Hampshire bitched a lot because they were afraid other states would threaten their first in the nation caucus/primary status. Other states complained because they said Iowa and New Hampshire aren't representative of the country. Thus a semi-compromise was hatched where the party would honor four states first from the four regions of the country (Midwest-Iowa, Northeast-New Hampshire, West-Nevada, South-South Carolina). Most states were OK with this although many moved up their primaries to Feb. 5 so as to have more of an impact on the process. Michigan and Florida though didn't listen and moved up their primaries before Feb. 5 even though they weren't part of the Chosen 4 states thus to punish those states for not getting with the program of the rest of the country, the Democratic Party stripped them of delegates and urged candidates not to campaign in them so as not to upset the Chosen 4's place in the choosing the nominee. All the candidates agreed to this at the beginning because they were afraid of pissing off the voters in the Chosen 4 states but now that South Carolina voting is almost done Hillary is coming out saying Michigan and Florida should get delegates to distract from her potentially losing South Carolina tomorrow.
sunflower101		#2990	[-]
Posts: 150 (01/25/08 9:30 PM) More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Kathy Fan 2 wrote: I like Edward's ideas. I like Hillary's sense of judgement. Edwards doesn't have the support to win the nom over Hillary/Obama. Hillary has the hatred of the Republican party. Obama is black and muslim and, sorry to say, even in the year 2008 there are still too many close-minded people out there to vote for him - especially the older population. Basically what I'm saying is, I think my party is fucked for another 4 years. Sigh. How does Hillary have a good sense of Judgement? Have you seen how she is campaigning recently?
sunflower101		#2991	[-]
Posts: 151 (01/25/08 9:31 PM) More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	shawnoverboard wrote: Hillary has the hatred of the Republican party. Whichever Democrat gets the nomination is going to be getting plenty of that; the good news is, poll after poll is showing it simply won't matter. The general public's hatred for repubs is stronger as evidenced by each of the repub contenters' (except for godzillionaire Romney) being short on cash, already. Something about the 935 Lies the bushie admin. told to get us into war with Iraq. You do realize the polls can change closer to the election, especially with the way Hillary is even turning off her own party.
superguppie		#2992	[-]
Posts: 21794 (01/25/08 9:34 PM) Registered user More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Yes, and with the way this administration is going, by the time of the election the polls results will definitely change. By November 2008, 98.6% of Republicans will vote Democrat.
Strange Flute		#2993	[-]
Posts: 1683 (01/25/08 9:40 PM) Registered user More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Especially if McCain is their candidate. If McCain does win the nomination, I think the dem should pick Jim Webb as VP candidate to counter McCain's appeal.
sunflower101		#2994	[-]
Posts: 152 (01/25/08 9:41 PM) More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	shawnoverboard wrote: Go to his website and look at his position on the issues. no; he wants my vote; to be hired by me, he does the work of getting his message out, not me They are too vast to outline. then they will not get him elected; see Kerrey, Gore, Dukakis, Mondale He didn't fumble with the reagan deal He said reagan was able to change the nation's trajectory and that repubs were the ideas people of the last 15 years; were we supposed to read these as negatives? He said it with the goal of getting CA independent votes (who can only vote Dem and not repub in that primary); it was a risky move and it backfired because he was not savvy enough to realize the words could be so easily twisted; a misstake caused by his inexperience. If you think the Clintons are rough on him, wait until you see the repub arsenal he'll face in the general election (one poster here refuses to believe he's not Muslim). Let this be his practice campaign. As I said, I'm voting Edwards not Clinton in the primary, so save your Clinton hate for when we get to the general. By the way, the repubs want Obama to get the nomination because they think him most beatable. Edwards is good, but people know his populist speeches aren't in synch with the country at this time. are you keeping up with the economic news lately? Edwards' message is now more spot on than ever, with the other two scrambling to catch up. No I don't think Obama is most beatable. I think a Hillary Clinton would be terrible for this country. Do we really need another scandal a week coming out of the white house? Do we really want more of Hillary's vast right wing conspiracy nonesense. The Republicans have a strong possibility of losing this election. I could never vote for Obama, I have a different view point then him what is best for the country. If a a Democrat does win th white house, I want the one that would be least harmful to the country. That is Obama, because he at least claims he wants to work with Republicans.
BlueJammies		#2995	[-]
Posts: 383 (01/25/08 9:51 PM) Registered user More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	What I don't get is how these Republican candidates are falling over themselves at every debate to agree with George Bush and defend the Iraq war. Don't they even have a fricken clue of what's happening ? At the debate last night Huckabee was saying that just because we didn't find WMD doesn't mean that they weren't there....kinda like if you hide an Easter egg and don't find it, it could still be there or some shit like that. NOBODY believes there was WMD in Iraq anymore. Even the President that he is trying to stick his nose up his ass somewhat admits they may have not been there.
sunflower101		#2996	[-]
Posts: 153 (01/25/08 9:55 PM) More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	someonestolemyfries wrote: This is not what I wanted to happen. Dems can't stand prosperity. I was hoping that this race would be decided by the social conservative populists getting so annoyed by the corporate elite repubs' bashing of Huckabee that they'd boycott the election. Instead, the main campaign story arc will be about the Dem race/gender war. Bring back the elitist white guys! I know many of these social conservatives types, and guess what? They think Hillary would be any worse for any of their causes, and thus will vote. Many of them also would be willing to back McCain. Notice McCain/Huckabee are pretty civil towards each other. Many of them aren't happy about illegal immigration. Romney says he isn't for illegal immigration, and goes after McCain on his backing of Bush's bill with Ted Kennedy a lot. Remember Bill's comments about "no illegal women". They will never vote for the Clintons.
sunflower101		#2997	[-]
Posts: 154 (01/25/08 9:58 PM) More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	The Annoying Hater wrote: memyselfandi wrote: In a general election Hillary will be painted as a weak flip-flopper on national security for voting for the Iraq War and now being for troop withdrawal, she will be painted as corrupt and all the Lincoln bedroom fundraising and the sold pardons and the Saudis pouring money into the Clinton library will be brought up, African-American voter turnout will be depressed (which could mean trouble for Hillary in states the Democrats MUST win like Ohio and Michigan), she will be presented as part of the Bush-Clinton dynasty and that's on top of half the country already disliking her and this country never having elected a woman before. Plus, if Hillary is the nominee then Bloomberg will run and that will eat into Democratic votes. The 08' election will come down to the economic recession, which is a huge plus for Hillary. All these other issues won't matter in November because most people vote with their pocket books. Yeah except Romney's numbers have suddenly gone up, because people think he is better on the economy then other Republicans. He paints himself as a Washington Insider, his way of Distancing himself from The President's 8 years. That might play better against the hated Clintons. Of course I think McCain will be the nominee, I think southerns will accept McCain over Romney.
pseudopoganandra		#2998	[-]
Posts: 11443 (01/25/08 9:58 PM) Registered user More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Thank you for that explanation. It confirms my worst fears that democrats are a bunch of fucking morons and we are going to be stuck with another Republican in the white house.
Us Kids Know		#2999	[-]
Posts: 2007 (01/25/08 9:59 PM) Registered user More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I love how you say you don't want Hillary because there'll be a "scandal a week." Did you support Bush?
sunflower101		#3000	[-]
Posts: 155 (01/25/08 10:01 PM) More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	GrenadeJumper85 wrote: So we're basically getting another four years of Republican rule when Hillary gets the the nomination. Thanks America! I know I can always rely on you to fuck everything up again! Why have the Democrats become so stupid? Last Edited By: sunflower101 01/25/08 10:49 PM. Edited 1 times.