Top 3 Game-Ending Blunders

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chapera rocks		#41	[-]
Posts: 8358 (01/21/08 1:39 AM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	colleenlover wrote: Kirblar wrote: Amber telling Bryant Gymble that she thought she wasn't going at six, but fifth! and still didn't align with Lis and Rodger (Lis and Rodger are at fault too) That one's pretty much been established as Liz being an irrational bitch. But from the Outback commentary, right? I have the long versions of the Early Show (remember when they were a half hour?) -Amber said she was afraid to approach them because she would go sooner, and thought Rodger was going sixth, ans she herself was going fifth. Lis's interviews said she tried but Amber was never interested. Gumble was just incredulous to the whole thing. Hasn't it been established that Liz wasn't going to turn on Tina though? Hmmm, Chapera but what if Todd, Courtney and Amanda (James' final four group from his point of view) was shocked that he used and asked him why and thought they all trusted one another -and James using of the idol makes him a target because Todd and them can't trust him anymore because he has shown they don't trust him.- so I can understand James' frame of mind. There's that risk, but it doesn't make sense for Amanda/Courtney/Todd, a fairly obvious final 3, to take a challenge beast like James to final 4 (I know he didn't win any individual ICs, but he had a better shot than Denise)? It's like what Yau did in Fiji; Stacy may have tipped him off, but he knew that they wouldn't let him past final 6 because it meant a guaranteed final 4. James should have realized that it was the last opportunity for him to get blindsided, and played the idol. If they had issues of trust with him after that, then he could always flip over to ZH.
Robert Qld		#42	[-]
Posts: 861 (01/21/08 2:41 AM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I have always understood that Tina had Lis wrapped around her little finger and Lis was never going to stop drinking the kool-aid. Thus no matter what Amber did Lis was not budging (I'd figure she'd thought she'd try for immunity or have Keith booted due to the 'worthiness' factor Tina & Colby where spewing all the time. As much as I dislike Amber, I have to think she wasn't at fault here and did all she could. Another potential end-came stuff I think was Pieh-Gee NOT ragging to James about the blindside. Whispering to him on the way to trible council to use a HII. He would've been livid and thus split the alliance in half and Todd would've been gone (I figure if she did this plan she would've gotten Erik to vote for Todd anyway).
dhealy2003		#43	[-]
Posts: 154 (01/21/08 3:14 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	chapera rocks wrote: I still don't see James not using the idol as such a big blunder. It is only a blunder in hind sight. If he had played it and not gotten voted out, people would say he was an idiot. He trusted his alliance (they gave him no reason not too), and he was obviously keeping the idols for the last two times that he could use them. The thing is though, it absolutely was a stupid decision from a numbers perspective. He has two idols; if he made it to final 6, it means he has a guaranteed spot in the final 4. He should know that, the rest of his tribe definitely knows that; so the last chance to blindside him was at final 7, so he should have anticipated it. And the rest of them should have done it 1 TC earlier because anyone with a brain would know to play the idol at 7, so they got lucky I guess. But as far as he knew, he was making it to the final four anyways. He actually almost gave an idol to Todd during that episode, because Todd told him he needed it because he was afraid he was getting voted out. Later on Todd said he wouldn't need it. Todd did an amazing job of making James feel 100% safe. I think people are downplaying Todd by saying this is a blunder. If it was so obvious that James should play the idol at seven, then you could say Todd was even dumber for voting for him when it was "apparently" a no-brainer to play the idol. But James had no reason to believe he was going home. I think for a blunder to be a blunder there must be some sort of red flag. There really weren't any with James. So could we say that Yau Man was an idiot for not playing his idol at seven? Or is it only smart to play the idol(s) one time before the last time they can be used? It's really such an ify thing. Hindsight is 20-20. The main difference between Yau's wise move to play the idol, and James not using the idol is that Yau DID have a red flag. When Stacy opened her big mouth at tribal, she made it kinda obvious that Yau should be paranoid.
dhealy2003		#44	[-]
Posts: 155 (01/21/08 3:18 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I don't think it has been mentioned, but one of the biggest blunders in MY opinion is when stupid Michelle (Pearl Islands) was supposed to act like she was having a difficult time during the food eating contest, but she threw that idea out the window and slurped down her smoothie like it was Burton's... well, I won't go there. She deserved to get her butt kicked off after that.
LaurenTheLush		#45	[-]
Posts: 288 (01/21/08 3:27 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Granted she was getting votes anyway, but Stacy from Fiji basically talking at tribal council how she was "so sure, people would probably switch things up tonight," which caused doubts in Yau-Mans head, and in turn he played the idol, and she was booted. Nice work Stacy, you didn't talk the first four episodes, and then you wouldn't shut the hell up afterwards.
Mister Plum		#46	[-]
Posts: 405 (01/21/08 3:50 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	This is not the top list of blunders but I'll add some more. Candice - when she mutinied. Candice would have also been in the finals with Yul and Ozzy/Becky if she didn't shift to Raro. It would also been the best Final 3 next to China's final 3 if she's in there coz I think she's one of the better strategist in CI. Yauman - As much as I respect his gameplay. Dealing with Dreamz is a very huge mistake for his part. He knew that Dreamz cannot be trusted but as he stated, he was too stubborn to feel that Dreamz will not live his promise. Argggg, I effin hate Dreamz. Alicia - Shii Ann offered her to... whatever. Alicia's dumb. Adam and Parvati - for voting Jenny instead of Jonathan/Candice. I would love to add Neleh for dealing with Vecepia on the Final IC but I think either way, she'll not win.
tacobellcanon		#47	[-]
Posts: 143 (01/21/08 5:51 AM) I don't get most of the jokes Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	dhealy2003 wrote: I don't think it has been mentioned, but one of the biggest blunders in MY opinion is when stupid Michelle (Pearl Islands) was supposed to act like she was having a difficult time during the food eating contest, but she threw that idea out the window and slurped down her smoothie like it was Burton's... well, I won't go there. She deserved to get her butt kicked off after that. I just rewatched that episode yesterday, and that made me remember why I dislike her so much. Seriously, you idiot. Probst even said it wasn't a timed challenge. Michelle hacking and gagging down that shake and then drawing the Morgans into picking her for the head-to-head would have been not only the intelligent move, but it would have been fucking hilarious.
dhealy2003		#48	[-]
Posts: 160 (01/21/08 6:00 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I'm actually glad she didn't do it. I liked the Morgan's better, and Darrah probably would've went. I'd much rather have Darrah on my tv than worthless Michelle.
solesurvivor01		#49	[-]
Posts: 542 (01/21/08 7:39 AM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	tacobellcanon wrote: dhealy2003 wrote: I don't think it has been mentioned, but one of the biggest blunders in MY opinion is when stupid Michelle (Pearl Islands) was supposed to act like she was having a difficult time during the food eating contest, but she threw that idea out the window and slurped down her smoothie like it was Burton's... well, I won't go there. She deserved to get her butt kicked off after that. I just rewatched that episode yesterday, and that made me remember why I dislike her so much. Seriously, you idiot. Probst even said it wasn't a timed challenge. Michelle hacking and gagging down that shake and then drawing the Morgans into picking her for the head-to-head would have been not only the intelligent move, but it would have been fucking hilarious. I definitly heard somewhere that Michelle said she wouldn't have been able to do it if she didn't do it quickly. But still, don't tell your tribe you're gonna fake it if the only way you can do it is by chugging it.
troybfreewill		#50	[-]
Posts: 49 (01/21/08 7:48 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	solesurvivor01 wrote: The thing about HIIs is that (with Fiji HII rules), they generally end up doing more harm than good. Anyone caught with an HII becomes an immediate target for a blindside, and so it's all about taking a risk. Getting rid of an HII early will take the target off of you and ensure your safety. If I were James, I would have played the HIIs at the first two odd numbers post merge. Anybody who had seen Fiji should have known that an HII really makes you an automatic target, but with that being said not if you keep your mouth shut about finding the idol and keeping it away from prying eyes. Last Edited By: troybfreewill 01/21/08 7:53 AM. Edited 1 times.
Mister Plum		#51	[-]
Posts: 412 (01/21/08 7:56 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	dhealy2003 wrote: I'm actually glad she didn't do it. I liked the Morgan's better, and Darrah probably would've went. I'd much rather have Darrah on my tv than worthless Michelle. Michelle is hotter than Darrah though.
Madhackrviper		#52	[-]
Posts: 876 (01/21/08 10:33 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	LaurenTheLush wrote: Granted she was getting votes anyway, but Stacy from Fiji basically talking at tribal council how she was "so sure, people would probably switch things up tonight," which caused doubts in Yau-Mans head, and in turn he played the idol, and she was booted. Nice work Stacy, you didn't talk the first four episodes, and then you wouldn't shut the hell up afterwards. We've got to give her some credit for thinking of the Edgardo thing though. Mister Plum wrote: This is not the top list of blunders but I'll add some more. Candice - when she mutinied. Candice would have also been in the finals with Yul and Ozzy/Becky if she didn't shift to Raro. It would also been the best Final 3 next to China's final 3 if she's in there coz I think she's one of the better strategist in CI. Yauman - As much as I respect his gameplay. Dealing with Dreamz is a very huge mistake for his part. He knew that Dreamz cannot be trusted but as he stated, he was too stubborn to feel that Dreamz will not live his promise. Argggg, I effin hate Dreamz. Alicia - Shii Ann offered her to... whatever. Alicia's dumb. Adam and Parvati - for voting Jenny instead of Jonathan/Candice. I would love to add Neleh for dealing with Vecepia on the Final IC but I think either way, she'll not win. 1. I don't think so with Ozzy, Ozzy and Sundra were outside the Aitu alliance before the Candice mutiny and even afterwards he probably would have gone if Aitu had lost 2. I almost feel like that was his only option at that point. Like, he had to make a deal with someone if you didn't want to get turned on as a jury threat. Also, he did try really hard at the final IC so he didn't completely trust Dreamz. 4. Adam and Parv big agreement. 5. Neleh would have lost even worse to Kathy I think... tacobellcanon wrote: dhealy2003 wrote: I don't think it has been mentioned, but one of the biggest blunders in MY opinion is when stupid Michelle (Pearl Islands) was supposed to act like she was having a difficult time during the food eating contest, but she threw that idea out the window and slurped down her smoothie like it was Burton's... well, I won't go there. She deserved to get her butt kicked off after that. I just rewatched that episode yesterday, and that made me remember why I dislike her so much. Seriously, you idiot. Probst even said it wasn't a timed challenge. Michelle hacking and gagging down that shake and then drawing the Morgans into picking her for the head-to-head would have been not only the intelligent move, but it would have been fucking hilarious. I always want to like her but that moment makes it hard. In the end I do like her (she's one of four female survivors who I have every right to hate but I end up thinking with the wrong head, I doesn't happen often but occasionally. Shawna, Lilania, and Cecilia being the others) Mister Plum wrote: dhealy2003 wrote: I'm actually glad she didn't do it. I liked the Morgan's better, and Darrah probably would've went. I'd much rather have Darrah on my tv than worthless Michelle. Michelle is hotter than Darrah though. XXX
Bacalaitos		#53	[-]
Posts: 803 (01/21/08 10:35 AM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	The Rafe thing was in no way stupid. Rafe had to know that Danni wasnt going to take him so his only play was to try to play on her morals by doing a seemingly chariable thing. Of course it didnt work but it was all that he had left after Danni won that imunity. The major two I think of is one Clarence and he beans. This dude gave up a chance at a million dollars on day 1 just for an extra helping of fucking beans. kathy fixing her shirt during final immunity. There are three girls there and Jeff none of who gave a fuck if your wrinkly boob fe;; out
Mr Steven Seagal		#54	[-]
Posts: 139 (01/21/08 11:48 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Mister Plum wrote: dhealy2003 wrote: I'm actually glad she didn't do it. I liked the Morgan's better, and Darrah probably would've went. I'd much rather have Darrah on my tv than worthless Michelle. Michelle is hotter than Darrah though. X She was better looking vomiting than Darrah ever was.
solesurvivor01		#55	[-]
Posts: 544 (01/21/08 11:57 AM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	troybfreewill wrote: solesurvivor01 wrote: The thing about HIIs is that (with Fiji HII rules), they generally end up doing more harm than good. Anyone caught with an HII becomes an immediate target for a blindside, and so it's all about taking a risk. Getting rid of an HII early will take the target off of you and ensure your safety. If I were James, I would have played the HIIs at the first two odd numbers post merge. Anybody who had seen Fiji should have known that an HII really makes you an automatic target, but with that being said not if you keep your mouth shut about finding the idol and keeping it away from prying eyes. Obviously, but that's much harder to do now that it's pretty hard to find the idol without sharing clues or getting caught.
XtremeInnovator420		#56	[-]
Posts: 798 (01/21/08 12:10 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Shouldn't it be hard to find the idol instead of a simple clue that all but says "hey! It's under the big "Y" shaped tree on the freaking island!!"?
chapera rocks		#57	[-]
Posts: 8360 (01/21/08 4:01 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	So could we say that Yau Man was an idiot for not playing his idol at seven? Or is it only smart to play the idol(s) one time before the last time they can be used? It's really such an ify thing. Hindsight is 20-20. No, because Yau had only one idol, so he should have played it at final 6, where he did. James had two, and so should have played one at 7. The main difference between Yau's wise move to play the idol, and James not using the idol is that Yau DID have a red flag. When Stacy opened her big mouth at tribal, she made it kinda obvious that Yau should be paranoid. James claims that he was suspicious about it but didn't follow his gut, and therefore, he did have some sort of red flag. But red flag or not, he needed some sort of perception to realize that he was a strong, well liked, athletic, guy with 2 idols... of course he's going to be a threat to everyone else, and of course they're going to try and take him out at some point (not to mention, again, Amanda/Courtney/Todd was a pretty obvious alliance). And even if he plays one idol at 7, and isn't voted out, he still has one more; if his alliance doesn't trust him, then he can flip. Re: Candice, I used to think the mutiny was a mistake, but it really wasn't; she just had a helluva lot of bad luck, and was in the best position to win the game out of everyone for most of the time. The mutiny strengthened her position, but unfortunately things didn't work out.
dhealy2003		#58	[-]
Posts: 161 (01/21/08 5:44 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Mister Plum wrote: dhealy2003 wrote: I'm actually glad she didn't do it. I liked the Morgan's better, and Darrah probably would've went. I'd much rather have Darrah on my tv than worthless Michelle. Michelle is hotter than Darrah though. I couldn't disagree more.
Madhackrviper		#59	[-]
Posts: 889 (01/21/08 5:54 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	dhealy2003 wrote: Mister Plum wrote: dhealy2003 wrote: I'm actually glad she didn't do it. I liked the Morgan's better, and Darrah probably would've went. I'd much rather have Darrah on my tv than worthless Michelle. Michelle is hotter than Darrah though. I couldn't disagree more. Well you are wrong then, this is not an opinion based matter
Mister Plum		#60	[-]
Posts: 422 (01/21/08 6:07 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Madhackrviper wrote: Mister Plum wrote: This is not the top list of blunders but I'll add some more. Candice - when she mutinied. Candice would have also been in the finals with Yul and Ozzy/Becky if she didn't shift to Raro. It would also been the best Final 3 next to China's final 3 if she's in there coz I think she's one of the better strategist in CI. Yauman - As much as I respect his gameplay. Dealing with Dreamz is a very huge mistake for his part. He knew that Dreamz cannot be trusted but as he stated, he was too stubborn to feel that Dreamz will not live his promise. Argggg, I effin hate Dreamz. Alicia - Shii Ann offered her to... whatever. Alicia's dumb. Adam and Parvati - for voting Jenny instead of Jonathan/Candice. I would love to add Neleh for dealing with Vecepia on the Final IC but I think either way, she'll not win. 1. I don't think so with Ozzy, Ozzy and Sundra were outside the Aitu alliance before the Candice mutiny and even afterwards he probably would have gone if Aitu had lost 2. I almost feel like that was his only option at that point. Like, he had to make a deal with someone if you didn't want to get turned on as a jury threat. Also, he did try really hard at the final IC so he didn't completely trust Dreamz. 4. Adam and Parv big agreement. 5. Neleh would have lost even worse to Kathy I think... Mister Plum wrote: dhealy2003 wrote: I'm actually glad she didn't do it. I liked the Morgan's better, and Darrah probably would've went. I'd much rather have Darrah on my tv than worthless Michelle. Michelle is hotter than Darrah though. XXX I think before the mutiny, Jonathan's next to Flica but I don't know. If Candice didn't switch and Aitu consistently won Immunity then they will outnumber the Raros. Then, you have the Aitu 4 with Candice and Jonathan. If Ozzy wins Immunity until final 3. I think we'll have a Candice, Ozzy and Yul. F3. On Yau's case, I'm just bitter that Dreamz fuckingly betrayed him.

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