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cindidindi76 |
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If only you had thought to make a TV show out of it.
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Sir Adrian Dangerous |
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I've never experienced a haunting, but I went to college with a girl who swore something sat on her bed at night. She was a very grounded farm girl
from Michigan. It's hard to imagine her making it up, but one can never tell.
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Fluffynurse |
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I like it OK but when they wag in the priests & scripture readers I want to scream in horror. Those folks are scarier than the ghosts.
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Sir Adrian Dangerous |
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Those people are scarier than the ghosts. Perhaps that's because they're barking mad. And not the good Syd Barrett kind of "The Madcap
Laughs" insanity. This is the overearnest "I have convictions" kind of lunacy. It's dangerous and volitile. Put that in your "run
away very fast if I ever see this in real life" file.
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Fluffynurse |
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Nah, I wouldn't run from them. They know not what they do. They're only reaching for help the way they've been taught. I feel that they are at
the state of enlightenment where they need to be now. It's all cool. I just don't want to watch it.
I do like to see all the fancy meters & equipment they use. And the voice wave analysis is very interesting. I used to go to a website that had nothing but sounds recorded in haunted houses & digitalized them so you could hear words or phrases. Totally eerie. |
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Remington Steele |
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Adding to the hate for that guy who likes himself too much. I love all the ghost hunting shows except for the pseudo-celebrity one. My favourite is the one where they try to talk to dead celebrities. |
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Sir Adrian Dangerous |
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Very grounded approach, FN. For me, it's just one shade away from Ed and Lorraine Warren, so it gives me the heebies. Remember them? They'd go into
a house where the water pipes were obviously banging and declare "it's a demon!!" The floorboards creak? It's a demon! The cat
runs from a room? It's a demon!
Dramatic Cat Exorcism to ensue. |
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Lovejonze |
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Some of the religious people they bring into this show do seem like crackpots. I do like the psychic gay man, though.
I once saw in a documentary that human eye can only comprehend a fraction of the amount of information we receive through our eyesight. An eye works like a camera lens, but the difference with a camera lens is that it doesn't have a brain to filter out images that don't make sense. They went on to tell how when Christopher Columbus was approaching the West Indies, the ships were visible on the horizon for several days. But because the natives had never seen ships before, it was like they didn't even notice them. When the boats got close, it was too late for them do anything to prepare for it. I think this also applies to supernatural forces that are around all of us at all times. Some people have the ability to be receptive to the images. |
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platinumprincss6 |
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I have had paranormal activities happen to me and that is why I am prone to believe the hauntings in these shows. The only thing I think about with the
religious angle is the universality of using Christian-based prayers, etc. I was thinking, would holy water work on a spirit that isn't Christian.
However, I have noticed that they did use some Wiccan spell so I guess they use whatever works. I am more surprised that their are clergy involved at all.
For me, it does lend a certain level of credibility to it which is odd given my heathen-ness.
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Sir Adrian Dangerous |
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A heathen!?! Forsooth, platinumprincss6, have you not been touched by his noodly goodness??? :-) Actually, I'm interested in your pan-religious take on
the subject. Please expound. I'm very unfamiliar with the whole wiccan tradition, and am unable to recognize it unless the show actually points it out to
me, as in the case of the "pond exorcism" of the Dark Man. (It was interesting that in the context of my Catholic upbringing I actually found that
ritual very familiar and comfortable, so I am interested in knowing more.)
I too consider myself on the heathen fringe, which is, contrary to popular opine, not synonymous with godlessness. My sister-in-law is a full on hoopty pagan, and I admire that, but for me, order, science, and well frankly Carl Sagan rule the day. (The author Carl Sagan,the genious behind "A Demon Haunted World", "A Pale Blue Dot" and "Billions and Billions, Thoughts on the Life and Death and the Brink of the Millineum," not Carl Sagan the television personality.) I am actually fascinated by Lovejonze's story about the ships of C.C. This was a story I had never heard before and is very interesting. It's particulary fascinating when you try to visual for yourself the actual images of the three ships on the horizon growing larger and coming closer and try to reconcile that with village/tribal imagery and wisdom, which is virtually impossible for modern persons but compelling none the less. And so I really enjoyed this story because it is indicative of my own experience with the unknown world. In the course of my graduate research and indeed life in general I read countless anecdotes, tales of supernatural woe, horror novels, examined dozens upon dozens of engravings, sketches and painting, watched every horror and ghost movie ever made from Indonesia to Korea to Romania, Russia, Australia, Brazil and beyond, (the BEST ghost stories are American with a touch of British tradition, BTW, Cock Lane Ghost, the Bell Witch, or the Fox Sister's ultimate spiritualist nightmare-slash-hoax, anyone) and even subjected myself to the unincarcerated looniness of Hanz Holzer and Fodor Nandor's oozing effluence in the quest of the ultimate ghost story and yet have never experience one iota of paranormal psychic disturbance in my entire 44 years of existence. (Poor Mrs. Forbes and her "cavity teleportation" of household objects; how uncomfortable the poor schizoprenic dear must have been. You have to be pretty desperate for attention to stuff a candle up your nether regions, but anyway...) What can explain this void? Two likely explanations are a) it is all hogwash, or b) I am a non-receptor. Sadly, I'm afraid, like Columbus's impervious natives, it is the latter. I cannot see it. I cannot feel it. I can never know it. It is beyond my ken. Your tales are of interest me me, if no one else. I would be delighted if you would share them. Incidently, my favorite "ghost' story of all time is the story of "Gef" the supernatural "Talking Mongoose" or "Dalby Spook" that inhabited a tiny cottage on the Isle of Man for a short time, described by Nandor Fodor in "Story of the Poltergeists Down the Centuries." |
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Fluffynurse |
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My goodness Sir. You have a way with words. Very interesting stuff.
Platinumprincss brings up holy water. There is a man in Japan, Dr. Masaru Emoto, that studies water & the effect of prayer or positive intention on the crystaline formations in it in the frozen form. You can see marvelous changes in photos of regular frozen water before & after ceremonies of blessing or thoughts sending good intention. Here's a link to some sample photos at Dr. Emoto's website. http://www.thank-water.net/english/index.html |
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platinumprincss6 |
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Sir Adrian Dangerous wrote: First, you are an excellent writer. Second, I think I am predisposed to view the reckoning with spirits more from a "spiritual" view than a
"religious" view. This of course is all based on fiction, unfortunately. I am mildly frightened by ghost and thus do not seek them out. To this
end, like you, I have not witnessed ghosts. I am however convinced that I have been visited by loved ones who have passed on.
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Sir Adrian Dangerous |
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Thank you Fluffynurse, you are too kind, but in fact...I am a woman! Words, reading and writing, prose and poetry have been my salvation, it's such a
cliche' to say so but they have. This year my parents have gone, my boyfriend whom I discovered was sharing his bed with this burgeoning 12 year old
daughter dumped me, because she told him to, and my reading, writing and research have kept me from filling my bathtub with bleach and ammonia. When
I consider the impending interview with the Department of Family Services, it's nearly impossible to have a lucid, unclouded thought, but I have actually
found that these frivioulous little ghost stories in the form of television shows are a decided life saving distraction. And I have also found that my fellow
sucksters have provided a buffet of mental cognitive delights. Your Doctor Emoto is fascinating; I actually really enjoyed the website. I don't think I
can ever run my sink with such cavalier indifference again. Thank you my dear, that was actually very interesting.
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Sir Adrian Dangerous |
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Princess, I just saw your response after I post my reply to FM, can I just say it is too compelling for a quick response and I must have a total digestion
before I respond properly. You have left me speechless.
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Fluffynurse |
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Thank you Fluffynurse, you are too kind, but in fact...I am a woman!Oh, I didn't mean to say you were male. LOL. I was just shortening your screenname to Sir. Sounds like that bastard of a boyfriend wasn't good enough for you anyway. Chin up. |
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Sir Adrian Dangerous |
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Princess, your dreams are spellbinding. I've never dreamt, except for the few times I accidently wore a nicotine patch to bed. (Patches don't work, BTW. The only thing that worked was cold turkey and whyquit.com.) I've never had any experiences with protestants or pentacostals because I'm from Puerto Rico, and everyone in my family is Catholic, or Hoodoo, so the speaking in tongues thing is so fascinating. No one I know ever does it. It's hard to put something like that in the category of "put on" when the Catholic tradition has such spiritual fancies as stigmata and ecstasy. They're probably firmly in the same catagory: unexplainable, compulsory, emotional, vague, and supernatural. Now, back to those amazing dreams. You must have known whilst having them, that you were not experiencing the ordinary nocturnal interlude. Did they feel different? Did you actually visualize yourself on the train? And to address your second dream, my most heartfelt condolences for your loss, and your dearly departed's anguish. I am truly sorry for your loss. |
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Sir Adrian Dangerous |
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No worries, Fluffynurse. It's can't be helped, I am a hopelessly devoted fan of ridiculous British comedy, and "Sir Adrian Dangerous" is
actually one of the more ridiculous over the top characters! Sir Adrian Dangerous is the creation of Adrian Edmondson, who was Vivian in "The Young
Ones," the restaurant critic in AbFab, and is in fact married to the sublime Jennifer Saunders.
I've certainly been called much worse than "Sir," sweet thing! No harsh thoughts from me, ever! |
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platinumprincss6 |
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Sir Adrian Dangerous wrote: SAD,
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Sir Adrian Dangerous |
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I'm enthralled! How vivid and surreal. Your dreamscapes are beyond my imagining. Thank you for sharing your terrifying visions and amazing experiences.
I'm in awe, really. Our little "Ghost Hunter", "Most Haunted", "Paranormal State", "Derek Acorah's (Creed
Kafer's) Ghost Towns" staged ghostly burlesque telletubby extravagangas are mere appetizers. This is the meat. I'm completely agog, and yet not
envious. I couldn't bear it, this gift. These terrible visions are not for the faint of heart.
P.S. Please do visit whyquit.com; it made all the difference to me. :-)
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Lovejonze |
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Sir Adrian, check out the film "What the Bleep do we Know". I believe this is where I heard the Columbus tale.
I think it is odd that they pick and choose which religion to use, perhaps it is based on the family being haunted because that is what they believe. As for the mystical properties of water, there is strong evidence that praying over water changes its composition - like holy water, kabballah water, etc. My family owns a very old bottle of holy water, not sure where it came from. My cousin had a brain tumor and they made a decision to remove the tumor to give him peace from pain during his last days. Right before the sugery, his grandmother annointed his head with the water. When the surgeon opened him up, the tumor that was rapped around the base of his brain stem just fell off - no further cutting needed. The entire OR staff had never seen anything like this and they all burst into #%#!%. He was 7 years old. Few years later, he is still alive and kicking - a healthy teenager. It has also been used to cure my sister of spinal menengitis when she was infant, with no side effects and my mother of cancer. I'm no longer a practicing catholic, but I believe in the water. I have visions as well, but they are stupid - like totally random, like Loretta Lynn's son dying. |
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