Writers Strike 2007: Stick a fork in it, it's DONE!

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CasualWatcher9		#861	[-]
Posts: 110 (12/19/07 9:30 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	And yet the median pay for a writer in the WGA last year was $5,000. Here is the one statistic the neither side disputes. 4434 writers were paid an average of $204,000.00 last year. 4434 x $204,000.00 = $904,536,000.00. Nine hundred and a half million dollars. (The $1.3 Billion number includes residuals paid last year.) The WGA adds in an enormous number of card carrying, dues paying, $0 earning members to get that median down to $5000. That's easy to do if most of your guild doesn't work. If you were one of that large army who got paid $0 in the last year, are you really a working writer? Having a WGA card is like having a SAG card. Tons of people got them, few make any money. The ones who do make money make a lot of money. That $5000 median is total bullshit. My disgust with the WGA is this whole UNION! thing. The WGA is not Norma Rae fighting for the rights of the common working man. UNION! indeed. The WGA is more than willing to put the average working joe out in the street as long as they can get even more for themselves. That is the "concept" I don't get SH! The "as long as I get mine, fuck the rest of you" WGA concept. And there is no talking with Scree, so I won't even try. Last Edited By: CasualWatcher9 12/19/07 9:33 PM. Edited 1 times.
LPMA		#862	[-]
Posts: 3678 (12/19/07 9:54 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	So, what are the shows that still have episodes to run?
Lord Vanny		#863	[-]
Posts: 868 (12/20/07 12:03 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Here's the most recent list, courtesy of Ausiello at TV Guide. If a show is not on the list, then he doesn't know how many are left. 30 Rock: Ten episodes will be produced. Nine episodes have aired, so there is one left. Aliens in America: Seventeen episodes will be produced. Ten episodes have aired, so there are seven left. Back to You: Nine episodes will be produced. Seven episodes have aired, so there are two left. The Big Bang Theory: Eight episodes were produced. Eight episodes have aired, so there are zero left. Bionic Woman: Eight episodes will be produced. Eight episodes have aired, so there is zero left. Bones: Twelve episodes will be produced. Nine episodes have aired, so there are three left. Boston Legal: Fourteen episodes will be produced. Ten episodes have aired, so there are four left. Brothers & Sisters: Twelve episodes will be produced. Nine episodes have aired, so there are three left. Carpoolers: Thirteen episodes will be produced. Six episodes have aired, so there are seven left. Cavemen: Thirteen episodes will be produced. Six episodes have aired, so there are seven left. Chuck: Thirteen episodes will be produced. Eleven episodes have aired, so there are two left. *Criminal Minds: Roughly twelve episodes will be produced. Eleven episodes have aired, so there is roughly one* left. *CSI: Eleven episodes will be produced. Ten episodes have aired, so there is one* left. CSI: NY: Fourteen episodes will be produced. Eleven episodes have aired, so there are three left. Desperate Housewives: Ten episodes will be produced. Nine episodes have aired, so there is one left. Dirty Sexy Money: Thirteen episodes will be produced. Ten episodes have aired, so there are three left. ER: Thirteen episodes will be produced. Nine episodes have aired, so there are four left. Friday Night Lights: Fifteen episodes will be produced. Nine episodes have aired, so there are six left. Gossip Girl: Thirteen episodes will be produced. Ten episodes have aired, so there are three left. Greek: Eight new episodes will be produced. None have aired yet, so there are eight left. Grey's Anatomy: Eleven episodes will be produced. Ten episodes have aired, so there is one left. Heroes: Eleven episodes will be produced. Eleven episodes have aired, so there is zero left. House: Twelve episodes will be produced. Nine episodes have aired, so there are three left. How I Met Your Mother: Eleven episodes will be produced. Eleven episodes have aired, so there are zero left. Jericho: Seven episodes will be produced. None have aired yet, so there are seven episodes left. Las Vegas: Nineteen episodes will be produced. Eleven have aired, so there are eight left. Law & Order: SVU: Fourteen episodes will be produced. Ten episodes have aired, so there are four left. *Life is Wild: Twelve episodes will be produced. Nine episodes have aired, so there are three* left. Lost: Eight episodes will be produced. None have aired yet, so there are eight episodes left. Medium: Nine episodes will be produced. None have aired yet, so there are nine episodes left. Men in Trees: Nineteen episodes will be produced. Eight episodes have aired, so there are 11 left. My Name is Earl: Thirteen episodes will be produced (that includes two one-hour eps, which count double). Twelve episodes have aired, so there is one left. *The New Adventures of Old Christine: Eight episodes have been produced. No episodes have aired, so there are eight* left. Numbers: Twelve episodes will be produced. Ten have aired, so there is two left. The Office: Twelve half-hour episodes will be produced. Twelve half-hour episodes have aired, so there are zero half-hour episodes left. One Tree Hill: Twelve episodes will be produced. None have aired yet, so there are twelve episodes left. Prison Break: Thirteen episodes will be produced. Eight episodes have aired, so there are five left. (On hiatus 'til Jan. 14) Private Practice: Nine episodes will be produced. Nine episodes have aired, so there are zero left. Pushing Daisies: Nine episodes will be produced. Nine episodes have aired, so there are zero left. Reaper: Twelve episodes will be produced. Ten episodes have aired, so there are two left. *Samantha Who?:* Twelve episodes will be produced. Nine episodes have aired, so there are three left. Scrubs: Eleven episodes will be produced. Six episodes have aired, so there are five left. Shark: Twelve episodes will be produced. Eleven episodes have aired, so there is one left. The Shield: All 13 season-seven episodes will be completed. None have aired (the final season gets underway in '08), so there are 13 left. Smallville: Fifteen episodes will be produced. Nine episodes have aired, so there are six left. Supernatural: Ten to 12 episodes will be produced. Seven episodes have aired, so there are two to four left. Ugly Betty: Thirteen episodes will be produced. Ten episodes have aired, so there are three left. *Without a Trace:* Twelve episodes will be produced. Ten episodes have aired, so there are two left.
usuallylurk		#864	[-]
Posts: 177 (12/20/07 7:52 AM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	On Ugly Betty, her illegal immigrant father has an HMO. Betty referred to the HMO as "crappy." So the writers expect citizens, who might not have health insurance, to feel sorry for an illegal who has health insurance? I guess the writers of that show, (and maybe most, or even all writers), must have come from overprivileged backgrounds, and always had everything that they needed, including health care.
neon fiction		#865	[-]
Posts: 2 (12/20/07 8:17 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Here is the one statistic the neither side disputes. 4434 writers were paid an average of $204,000.00 last year. 4434 x $204,000.00 = $904,536,000.00. Nine hundred and a half million dollars. (The $1.3 Billion number includes residuals paid last year.) The WGA adds in an enormous number of card carrying, dues paying, $0 earning members to get that median down to $5000. You're not understanding the wages because you don't understand math. The WGA isn't "skewing" the median by adding in $0 earners. An average and a median are different things. The average number takes all wages by earning writers, adds them together, and then divides by the number of writers. Average $204,000 for 4434 writers is so much higher than median $5,000 because that average includes the couple dozen or so big gun writers who also show run who make several millions of dollars per year. But the common staff writer doesn't even approach that $204k per year. A median number is a listing of all wages, all 4434 of them, and you find the number in the exact middle. So saying that the median is $5,000 means there were 2217 writers who earned more than that, and 2217 writers who earned less than that.
cyncansurvive		#866	[-]
Posts: 321 (12/20/07 8:26 AM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I want to know the mode!
Lovejonze		#867	[-]
Posts: 4468 (12/20/07 10:08 AM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I find it hard to believe that people who choose a career as a writer make only 5,000 a year or less. That is way below poverty level. I would not call them professional writers, but people that write as a hobby. To them I say either get better at what you do if you want to make more money or find a day job. If you are making that much money right now, getting piece of the new media is not going to make you suddenly prosperous.
starfire114		#868	[-]
Posts: 288 (12/20/07 10:47 AM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Lord Vanny wrote: Here's the most recent list, courtesy of Ausiello at TV Guide. If a show is not on the list, then he doesn't know how many are left. 30 Rock: Ten episodes will be produced. Nine episodes have aired, so there is one left. Aliens in America: Seventeen episodes will be produced. Ten episodes have aired, so there are seven left. Back to You: Nine episodes will be produced. Seven episodes have aired, so there are two left. The Big Bang Theory: Eight episodes were produced. Eight episodes have aired, so there are zero left. Bionic Woman: Eight episodes will be produced. Eight episodes have aired, so there is zero left. Bones: Twelve episodes will be produced. Nine episodes have aired, so there are three left. Boston Legal: Fourteen episodes will be produced. Ten episodes have aired, so there are four left. Brothers & Sisters: Twelve episodes will be produced. Nine episodes have aired, so there are three left. Carpoolers: Thirteen episodes will be produced. Six episodes have aired, so there are seven left. Cavemen: Thirteen episodes will be produced. Six episodes have aired, so there are seven left. Chuck: Thirteen episodes will be produced. Eleven episodes have aired, so there are two left. *Criminal Minds: Roughly twelve episodes will be produced. Eleven episodes have aired, so there is roughly one* left. *CSI: Eleven episodes will be produced. Ten episodes have aired, so there is one* left. CSI: NY: Fourteen episodes will be produced. Eleven episodes have aired, so there are three left. Desperate Housewives: Ten episodes will be produced. Nine episodes have aired, so there is one left. Dirty Sexy Money: Thirteen episodes will be produced. Ten episodes have aired, so there are three left. ER: Thirteen episodes will be produced. Nine episodes have aired, so there are four left. Friday Night Lights: Fifteen episodes will be produced. Nine episodes have aired, so there are six left. Gossip Girl: Thirteen episodes will be produced. Ten episodes have aired, so there are three left. Greek: Eight new episodes will be produced. None have aired yet, so there are eight left. Grey's Anatomy: Eleven episodes will be produced. Ten episodes have aired, so there is one left. Heroes: Eleven episodes will be produced. Eleven episodes have aired, so there is zero left. House: Twelve episodes will be produced. Nine episodes have aired, so there are three left. How I Met Your Mother: Eleven episodes will be produced. Eleven episodes have aired, so there are zero left. Jericho: Seven episodes will be produced. None have aired yet, so there are seven episodes left. Las Vegas: Nineteen episodes will be produced. Eleven have aired, so there are eight left. Law & Order: SVU: Fourteen episodes will be produced. Ten episodes have aired, so there are four left. *Life is Wild: Twelve episodes will be produced. Nine episodes have aired, so there are three* left. Lost: Eight episodes will be produced. None have aired yet, so there are eight episodes left. Medium: Nine episodes will be produced. None have aired yet, so there are nine episodes left. Men in Trees: Nineteen episodes will be produced. Eight episodes have aired, so there are 11 left. My Name is Earl: Thirteen episodes will be produced (that includes two one-hour eps, which count double). Twelve episodes have aired, so there is one left. *The New Adventures of Old Christine: Eight episodes have been produced. No episodes have aired, so there are eight* left. Numbers: Twelve episodes will be produced. Ten have aired, so there is two left. The Office: Twelve half-hour episodes will be produced. Twelve half-hour episodes have aired, so there are zero half-hour episodes left. One Tree Hill: Twelve episodes will be produced. None have aired yet, so there are twelve episodes left. Prison Break: Thirteen episodes will be produced. Eight episodes have aired, so there are five left. (On hiatus 'til Jan. 14) Private Practice: Nine episodes will be produced. Nine episodes have aired, so there are zero left. Pushing Daisies: Nine episodes will be produced. Nine episodes have aired, so there are zero left. Reaper: Twelve episodes will be produced. Ten episodes have aired, so there are two left. *Samantha Who?:* Twelve episodes will be produced. Nine episodes have aired, so there are three left. Scrubs: Eleven episodes will be produced. Six episodes have aired, so there are five left. Shark: Twelve episodes will be produced. Eleven episodes have aired, so there is one left. The Shield: All 13 season-seven episodes will be completed. None have aired (the final season gets underway in '08), so there are 13 left. Smallville: Fifteen episodes will be produced. Nine episodes have aired, so there are six left. Supernatural: Ten to 12 episodes will be produced. Seven episodes have aired, so there are two to four left. Ugly Betty: Thirteen episodes will be produced. Ten episodes have aired, so there are three left. *Without a Trace:* Twelve episodes will be produced. Ten episodes have aired, so there are two left. good lord...does this mean I have to go get a life now?!?!?!!?!?
CasualWatcher9		#869	[-]
Posts: 111 (12/20/07 11:53 AM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	You're not understanding the wages because you don't understand math. I'll go slowly for you. I'll use small words. So you can catch up. 4434 writers got paid just shy of a billion dollars last year. The average comes from the writers that actually worked and got paid last year. To get to their magic $5000 median, the WGA took into account nearly 10,000 WGA members salaries from last year. About half of those 10000 made $0 last year because they didn't work as a writer last year.
GlamsSlam		#870	[-]
Posts: 2190 (12/20/07 11:57 AM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Well with the Golden Globes looming and the Oscars still waiting to hear if they got a waiver... which as of yesterday was a no go.. the show must go on may be moot... if a star falls in Hollywood will anyone care? Today's NY Times missive... Late Shows to Return, but Who'll Be Talking? By EDWARD WYATT Published: December 20, 2007 LOS ANGELES - The late-night talk show hosts are returning. But the stars are not yet ready to come out for them. Uncertainty over whether many of Hollywood's biggest stars will be willing to cross picket lines and appear on "The Tonight Show With Jay Leno" and "Late Night With Conan O'Brien," both on NBC; CBS's "Late Show With David Letterman"; or "Jimmy Kimmel Live" on ABC has the programs' producers in a frenzy as they try to book guests for the shows, which are scheduled to return with fresh episodes Jan. 2. One publicist for an actor who is starring in a film scheduled for wide release in January said that clients of her agency were likely to wait and see what the reaction was to any actors who decided to cross a picket line. "I don't think there will be a rush to go on the shows," said the publicist, who works for one of the largest Hollywood agencies and who spoke on the condition of anonymity. Noting the criticism that greeted Ellen DeGeneres and Carson Daly when they returned to their talk shows earlier during the strike, she added: "We will wait to see if there will be that kind of fallout. It's such a sensitive issue, and a personal issue for each actor as well." Producers for the shows say they have been contacting potential guests since the strike by the Writers Guild of America began on Nov. 5, keeping potential guests lined up in case of a swift settlement. "Certain guests said they wouldn't come, certain guests said they would," Jeff Ross, an executive producer of "Late Night With Conan O'Brien," said in a conference call with reporters on Monday. "The temperature may be changing a little bit as we go forward." Debbie Vickers, an executive producer of "Tonight," said in the same conference call that she too believed actors could be "warming to the idea" of crossing a picket line as "strike fatigue" sets in. "January feels better than December did," Ms. Vickers said. "I'm not saying it's going to be easy, but we will be able to do shows." Neither late-night NBC show had confirmed any guests as of Monday, though, and a spokeswoman for the shows said on Wednesday that the producers would not comment further. A spokesman for Mr. Kimmel declined to comment. Like other talk shows, Mr. Letterman's "Late Night" has tentatively booked guests throughout the strike. As it turns out, Donald Trump has been booked for Jan. 2, which led Mr. Trump to call media outlets on Wednesday to announce that he would be among Mr. Letterman's guests if the show returns on that day. Whether actors will be willing to appear on the shows is anything but certain. Many members of the Screen Actors Guild have been vocal in support of the writers, walking picket lines and making online videos supporting the writers' cause. Alan Rosenberg, the president of the actors' union, said in a letter to its members on Monday that their continued support of the writers' strike "is important to maintaining solidarity and protecting the rights of creative artists." "This fight is our fight," he added. Many actors are required by their contracts, however, to make public appearances or give interviews to promote their projects. The bigger the star, though, the more flexible those requirements are. That was clear from the recent statement of Katherine Heigl, who, after receiving a Golden Globe nomination for "Grey's Anatomy," said she would not cross a picket line to attend the ceremony, which is scheduled for Jan. 13. "I'm not crossing the picket line unless I'm contractually obliged to do so," she said. "And I'm not with the Golden Globes." Ms. Heigl, the breakout star of this year's comedy film "Knocked Up," has another project set for release in January: a movie for 20th Century Fox, "27 Dresses," about an always-the-bridesmaid character who finds true love. As one of the few films with big stars set for release next month, the movie is a natural target for late-night shows seeking guests. A publicist for Ms. Heigl said she "will not cross the picket line" to appear on a talk show to promote her new film. Other films scheduled for January release include "First Sunday," a comedy starring Ice Cube and Tracy Morgan; "Mad Money" starring Diane Keaton and Queen Latifah; and another installment of the "Rambo" series, starring Sylvester Stallone. In addition to acting in the film, Mr. Stallone wrote and directed it. Also coming after the first of the year are new episodes for some hit television shows, like "Lost" on ABC, as well as new series, like "Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles" on Fox, whose actors would be natural talk-show guests. The one late-night talk-show host who has returned, Mr. Daly of NBC's "Last Call With Carson Daly," endured severe criticism for going back on the air while writers for the show were still out on strike. Mr. Daly tied his decision to return to dozens of nonwriting employees of his show who would otherwise be laid off. But "Last Call" has struggled to book A-list guests, despite being the only late-night game in town. Instead its lineup of guests has been heavy with singing groups, reality-television stars and athletes.
PAPAYOKE		#871	[-]
Posts: 18835 (12/20/07 12:08 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I'll bet that few to none of the writers who made less than $5000 last year did that as full-time writers. I'll bet in that group, those people got paid for one script. $5000 x 13 episodes ($65,000) or $5000 x 22 episodes ($110,000) doesn't tug at the heartstrings quite as much.
Screerider		#872	[-]
Posts: 20929 (12/20/07 1:21 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	To them I say either get better at what you do if you want to make more money or find a day job. Gee, ya really think those making $5,000 or less for the entire year are living solely off that income?
PAPAYOKE		#873	[-]
Posts: 18838 (12/20/07 1:26 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Sounds like the WGA expect people to think so.
usuallylurk		#874	[-]
Posts: 178 (12/20/07 1:29 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	It's being analyzed very carefully: when late night should return, and how many movie stars would be willing to appear on the shows. Most people don't care. It would be fine with me if the late night shows never returned.
Lovejonze		#875	[-]
Posts: 4470 (12/20/07 1:55 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Sounds like the WGA expect people to think so. Exactly. This is propaganda to get public support and evoke emotional responses from the casual observer, something writers are very familiar with. I don't mind people getting their fair share, but it is a big turnoff to me when there is obvious manipulation of the facts on the side that claims to be the victim.
sugarrhill	http://www.deadlinehollywooddaily.com/	#876	[-]
Posts: 3053 (12/20/07 2:11 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	AMPTP Shuns LA City Council Hearing... The Los Angeles City Council's Housing, Community, and Economic Development Committee held a hearing on the economic impact of the Writers Guild of America strike on the local and regional economy, but the AMPTP declined to attend. "We asked them to testify, and they said they would consider it. But then last night they said no," an LA City Council source told me. "We were very disappointed." Instead, on the AMPTP's behalf, the Motion Picture Association of America inserted a statement into the record. I asked why the negotiators for the studios and networks didn't show (a fact which Variety buried in the 3rd paragraph of its account of the hearing). "MPAA got involved because they rep us before the City Council, and because it was their area of expertise - economic impact," an insider told me. "The MPAA represents the companies before all levels of government throughout the world. MPAA also provides economic data and information on the motion picture and television business to the public, on behalf of our members. But you are right that no individual from MPAA or AMPTP took part in the actual hearing." The WGA, which showed up in force for the 7:30 AM hearing despite pouring rain, issued a statement that the AMPTP's "refusal shows a callous disregard for the people of Los Angeles. First these companies walked away from the bargaining table, and today they chose to ignore the economic hardship their actions have caused. The WGA would like to solve this problem and get everyone back to work, but that can't be done until the other side comes back to the table." The Los Angeles City Council approved a resolution today urging the two sides to return to the bargaining table. On the subject of the strike's financial impact, the government panel was told by one economist that the LA County economy could take a $380 million hit if the writers' strike continues as long as the 1988 labor action, which last 22 weeks. But that figure is 1/10 of 1% of the LA economy, so the overall impact was said to be "very modest". But that was strongly disputed by other number crunchers who told the committee that the strike was already having a major impact on the city, including a significant drop in sales tax revenues. One WGA strike captain who attended the hearing emailed me: "The $300 million impact was presented by an economist shill for the moguls whose basic premise was that as people left television they would go to other jobs that would help LA's economy. This was quickly rebuked by the objective Film LA and another representative of the city's accounting office who both asserted that a prolonged strike could cripple LA's already teetering economy. John Bowman estimated that a prolonged strike could ultimately cost upwards of 2 billion unrecoverable dollars." John Bowman, chairman of the WGA's negotiating committee, testified with hundreds of Guild members in attendance. (Photos above by Jim Stevenson.) He said the strike is about "fighting to maintain the livelihoods of Los Angeles' middle-class writers working in the entertainment industry. The typical WGA member makes about $62,000 a year. It's a strike we believe we were forced into and one that is now being prolonged by the AMPTP." Testifying with her baby in her arms (photo left by Jim Stevenson), Betsy Thomas, writer and producer of the TBS show My Boys, said WGA writers are not living extravagant lifestyles and deserve to benefit from new technologies that are making money for the studios. "My writers drive Hondas and Toyotas, and we're middle class. It makes me sick that my crew will be out of work and that these writers will be out of work. I feel such a responsibility for the people who work for me, and I just hope that the studios will feel the same." The MPAA submitted a statement to the committee that said "the economic consequences of the strike cannot be measured solely by wages. In addition to lost wages are the costs from the lack of sales of goods and services that go into production, which is an estimated additional $300 million. It also means that scores of other businesses from prop houses to caterers that serve production daily in Los Angeles have also had to lay off numerous employees." (Below, press conference with Eric Garcetti. Photo by Jim Stevenson.)
Screerider		#877	[-]
Posts: 20931 (12/20/07 2:21 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	This is propaganda to get public support and evoke emotional responses from the casual observer, something writers are very familiar with. It goes both ways, though. If half the members of the WGA are getting paid $5,000 or less through their writing contracts, that's a fact. The studios focusing on the $400,000+ "average" figure is also using a fact to evoke an emotional response, usually with lots of CAPS and bold ranting. It's statistics, and certainly, everyone picks the ones that suit their agenda. But the more savvy of us can cut through the propaganda and decide for ourselves with statistics are better indicators of the entire situation and which are skewed by special cases. From the chairman of the WGA: The typical WGA member makes about $62,000 a year. Here's the figure the WGA is actually using, rather than either of the mathematical averages. It's somewhere in the middle, so maybe both sides can get behind it as being the "least" propaganda driven number (probably gets rid of all the writers with "day jobs"). Last Edited By: Screerider 12/20/07 2:32 PM. Edited 2 times.
usuallylurk		#878	[-]
Posts: 179 (12/20/07 2:30 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	So the writer's union representative testified with her baby... it doesn't look as if she was wearing rags. She should have worn rags and worn-out shoes: that would have made more of an impact. She said the typical writer's union member makes about 82,000 dollars a year, and they want a bigger piece of the pie. They're not poor. They're not homeless. They don't live in tar-paper shacks. I don't think anybody, other than the writers, cares whether or not that the writers get more.
Screerider		#879	[-]
Posts: 20932 (12/20/07 2:43 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	She actually said they want to maintain what they have. People seem to be having a hard time understanding writers are making less and less as shows move to New Media.
sugarrhill		#880	[-]
Posts: 3054 (12/20/07 2:43 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	^^^She said $62,000, dipshit.

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