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Episode 14 -- Immunity Challenge

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Zulu Doggy	Re: Episode 14 -- Immunity Challenge	#121	[-]
Posts: 4189 05/02/01 01:14 PM 8th place??? More Recent Posts	Ooops. I stand corrected. I see now that there are 3 hours of Survivor Thursday (2 show/1 reunion). Thanks for setting me straight. I still feel that MB will have no problem condensing 3 days into 2 hours, especially given the content of the days. Thanks again... ZD They know not if it's dark outside or light
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Unregistered(d)	Re: Episode 14 -- Immunity Challenge	#122	[-]
Posts: 0 05/02/01 04:28 PM More Recent Posts	Ok, let me just throw this out. The "got milk" commercial shows them buried in the sand with only their heads sticking out. Could there be any relevance to this? Was it chosen at random or is it somehow related to the final IC??? Just a thought...
OkieLoki	Why?	#123	[-]
Posts: 7643 05/02/01 04:29 PM Not even supposed to be here today More Recent Posts	CBS Morning News, April 27 Producers have revealed one clue about next week's show. The challenge will not be physical, meaning Colby won't necessarily have the advantage. Manuel Gallegus, CBS News, Hollywood. On ninemsn.com: Tip: Mark Burnett has warned the final immunity challenge is not a physical one. Question #1: How, exactly, did producers reveal this fact, and to whom did they reveal it? Question #2: Why, exactly, would MB decide to provide details regarding events of an upcoming show? #1 - I'm guessing it was revealed via a private memo to his propaganda machine, aka CBS News. #2 - To throw people off the scent. MB says it's not a physical IC, so Colby must not win it, right? Wrong. That's the trap. Whether or not MB is lying about the nature of the challenge (or at least playing a semantics game vicariously through the media), his ruse has worked and the Colby doubters abound. I'm not buying it. Remember occam's razor? Colby dominates in the challenges. By saying the IC isn't physical, MB suggests that Colby won't win this one. Simplest conclusion: Colby wins this one.
stlousanta	Re: Episode 14 -- Immunity Challenge	#124	[-]
Posts: 527 05/02/01 04:30 PM More Recent Posts	Let's think about this a little harder. MB loves ritualistic stuff. Before the last IC, there was the mud slathering & walking over coals. Not too much physical about that portion. So I would expect some Aborigine-style "ritual" like this before the IC begins. Ideas?
justlikeprimerib	Re: Episode 14 -- Immunity Challenge	#125	[-]
Posts: 183 05/02/01 04:46 PM More Recent Posts	Maybe they are wearing kangaroo skins?
stlousanta	Aborigines, Mud and the IC	#126	[-]
Posts: 527 05/02/01 04:52 PM More Recent Posts	Well, knowing MB was interested in Australia lore and expecting more rituals in the final IC.... Here's a quote from a story on how Aborigines view creation, "Rising from the waterholes, the Ancestors stood up with mud falling from their bodies." This mud created the rock formations and other parts of the landscape. Our IC clue may not be from the preview but from the "milk commercial" where the three are shown buried in the sand. How about mud? This also means it will be endurance--can get up at any time from the covering mud...but will lose the IC. Okie, seems this would fit the MB mislead as well as the "milk commercial". Thoughts?
tattsbaby	Re: Aborigines, Mud and the IC	#127	[-]
Posts: 29 05/02/01 05:06 PM More Recent Posts	Here is a little side note I thought was kind of interesting, but not of any spoiler value: The literal translation of the word 'Aborigine' is: the people who were here from the beginning.
Unregistered(d)	Re: Why?	#128	[-]
Posts: 0 05/02/01 05:08 PM More Recent Posts	They also showed on on the Morning News all three painting. It looked like they were painting idols. Did anyone else see that?
Wezzie	painting	#129	[-]
Posts: 6694 05/02/01 05:17 PM MESS member More Recent Posts	IhateJerri just posted that on Spoilers...painting "totem"-type poles.
stlousanta	Mud, Painting, Aborigines & Final Three	#130	[-]
Posts: 527 05/02/01 05:58 PM More Recent Posts	Well...well...getting interesting. When I did research on Aborigines, they made "bark art" offerings in their rituals. Looks like we're getting a "rite of passage" for the Final Three. Make bark art offering; dip in the mud (probably at waterfall shown in the preview vid-caps that Okie posted either yesterday or today) to meet the mud falling from their bodies mentioned in the Aborigine legends; walk (probably a long one) to make the offering. Either they then clean in water or proceed directly to the TC. Unless there is something more physical involved, looks like the IC "Fallen Comrades" will be at the TC and in front of the jury. Then the vote for the winner. TC ends. Ousted back to ranch; other two back to camp. Last Day (42), pack up camp; walk to TC for Jury Q & A and jury casts votes. Thoughts?
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justlikeprimerib	Re: Episode 14 -- Immunity Challenge	#131	[-]
Posts: 183 05/02/01 06:59 PM More Recent Posts	As much as I hate introduction Vidcap analysis... (no reason, I just think it is all deliberately ambiguous) Do you think that this has anything to do with the mud covered faces in the introduction? Aren't there three faces shown?
humanbehavior(d)	Re: Why?	#132	[-]
Posts: 13 05/02/01 07:09 PM More Recent Posts	OkieLoki writes: "Question #2: Why, exactly, would MB decide to provide details regarding events of an upcoming show? #2 - To throw people off the scent. MB says it's not a physical IC, so Colby must not win it, right? Wrong. That's the trap." I'm not sure about this thinking. It would hold if most of the show's audiences were rabid speculators like us, and MB were doing everything possible just to throw us off. I think things like the fake final four image from S1 do fall into the category of just mucking with the speculators. But a widespread press release is something different, it suggests that he really wants to get the word out that this thing isn't physical, and I'm not sure that necessarily means it's a trick, but just that a lot of negative feedback has come in from average, everyday, non-speculative Survivor viewers, people fed up with the immunity run in a way that MB hadn't at all expected. Luckily, his obsession with the Outwit/Outplay/Outlast theme means that the final challenge actually was endurance/mental/whatever, so he can play that up quite honestly and win back casual viewers irritated by recent developments. I agree it's definitely possible that this might be a bald-faced lie. But I don't think it's a definite enough lie to make any assumptions from it. In my opinion. - HumanBehavior
mdz23rewls	Re: Why?	#133	[-]
Posts: 1063 05/02/01 08:16 PM More Recent Posts	This year MB has said in an interview with the Washington Post, that he was not spreading out false info on the web. I don't know whether to beleive him or not, but there is a good chance that the IC will not be physical. Of course, it depends on how MB defines the word physical. If it were two parted, he could say that it wasn't physical even if one part was. So he's probably bending the word to his will. It sucks to be wrong. It must really suck to be me.
stlousanta	Idea on the Immunity Challenge	#134	[-]
Posts: 527 05/02/01 11:29 PM More Recent Posts	Following Aborigine myths, our intrepid survivors will begin their journey to the ancestral beginnings of the tribe. In preparation, they will be accompanied on their journey by their personal totem, prepared individually and based on Aborigine bark art. To make their journey more interesting, they will then immerse in a mud bath followed by their walkabout. Along the way, they will present a portion of their offering to a tribal ancestor (cutout if not on jury and actual person if on jury). This portion will only be accepted if our survivor is able to correctly answer a question about the ancestor showing that the survivor is a true member of the tribe. The true inheritor of their tribal lore will conclude their walkabout having had the greatest amount of their offering accepted and will be rewarded with the Immunity Necklace. Follow it up with a nice bath....and on to Tribal Council that night where the winner of the Immunity Necklace will vote the person to be ousted from the tribe. NOTES: Vid-cap from preview of falls; milk ad of our Final Three; CBS preview of our Final Three creating bark art (offering). Fits MB's criteria for not a physical challenge. Involves jury members in the final IC. Thoughts?
Aone	Re: Idea on the Immunity Challenge	#135	[-]
Posts: 129 05/02/01 11:39 PM More Recent Posts	Nice job, stlous. I say that you have to be pretty darn close. I like what you say about representative totems being cutouts of those not serving on jury, that definitely plays into the idea of the cutouts from the preview that are so hard to figure. I like it and am interested in what others have to say too!
ssstefffii	Re: Idea on the Immunity Challenge - Imagery FYI	#136	[-]
Posts: 719 05/03/01 04:38 AM MESS member More Recent Posts	I just remembered something that may well be relevant to exactly the finale plays out. Australian Aboriginal culture forbids the showing of images of those who have passed away. In modern Aboriginal Australian culture, this can extend to photos being destroyed. By extension, media organisations are not supposed to show images of Aboriginal people who have passed away, even when reporting the death of a very prominent Aboriginal person.(Not all of them honour the tradition). While I realise that producers of a TV show such as Survivor are not necessarily going to get historical facts straight (being entertainment, not documentary), on this issue they just might, because it is something which media types usually know about and it could easily assist in the story development. The image thing could be the reason why the Survivors who have 'passed' are shown as disappearing / fuzzy in that promo pic. It may also affect how the tribal ancestors thing is portrayed, in terms of cutouts / totem poles. Edited to add : the last paragraph is my spec, put whatever spin you like on the image info.
crocophile	Re: Episode 14 -- Immunity Challenge	#137	[-]
Posts: 14098 05/03/01 07:20 AM MESS with me, I'll MESS with you More Recent Posts	I agree, great take Stlou.
mdz23rewls	Re: Episode 14 -- Immunity Challenge	#138	[-]
Posts: 1063 05/03/01 08:26 AM More Recent Posts	Damn. Now I'm stuck between endurance or fallen comrades. Stlou, your prediction sounds a lot like something MB would do, in respect to the ritualistic ideas with mud and everything. However, I'm going to stick with endurance, simply because it seems like something MB will do, like last year. It sucks to be wrong. It must really suck to be me.
crocophile	Re: Episode 14 -- Immunity Challenge	#139	[-]
Posts: 14098 05/03/01 08:42 AM MESS with me, I'll MESS with you More Recent Posts	One thing about Stlous suggestion is that the rumored Kayak event could defintely be part of it. This could be a very exciting show, much better than S1 which was like watching paint dry.
fplo	Sssteffis post	#140	[-]
Posts: 131 05/03/01 08:47 AM More Recent Posts	If we are going to focus on the aboriginal aspect (which I agree we should) I think Stef's post should be read by all. That creates a problem for showing images and/or jury members.
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