S-15 Edgic (editing and logic)

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BlakeB717		#2221	[-]
Posts: 554 (11/08/07 11:40 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	cl, no winner has not had a CP episode this deep into the game. She needs some complexity that isn't about personal vendettas and more about positioning herself well in the game.
fat little fingers		#2222	[-]
Posts: 5042 (11/08/07 11:44 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Oh, believe me, those ferrets are just a scramblin around in my psychic shorts! Leslie tells us, muscle isn't going to win this thing, heart is. Then she names the munchkins, Courtney and Todd. Jean-Robert says Courtney is the luckiest girl on Survivor if she survives her next TC. Todd has gotten J-R booted. In a vote he'd certainly give his vote to Courtney before he'd give it to Todd. A ver-r-ry doable scenario.
colleenlover		#2223	[-]
Posts: 7289 (11/08/07 11:49 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	well, according to you she hasn't had the complex episode, whereas I think she's had plenty of well tended edits. And manipulation galore. We've seen reported scenes of how she talks at the councils, so it's not surprising that that's how she is during her confessionals. She's not strategic, so you can't bleed a stone. But I think the editing has made her as strategic as they possible can. Every single time her tribe has gone to council, pre council they always have a manipulated edit involving her. Where Amanda is getting all these sliced in reaction shots, it's all related to Todd's game, and what the two will do -undoubtedly because the two shape the game. Courtney has tons revolving the endgame. In my opinion, Courtney is facing the jury, and logically she has a very good shot of winning it by default. But then again, I was 100% sure Eliza was facing the jury too, so I can definitely be wrong.
BlakeB717		#2224	[-]
Posts: 555 (11/08/07 11:59 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Don't get me wrong cl, I absolutely LOVE you pushing hard for a diverse candidate, because the last thing we want is a season where we forget someone being a contender. My issue is that she's more of the comic relief rather than the player who isn't giving complexity. I would love if Courtney won, considering she's my second favorite this season, but I'm playing advocate here as to why she won't win. The only person, edgically, that I would be shocked to see win (of those remaining) are Denise, Erik, and James.
pastordice		#2225	[-]
Posts: 733 (11/09/07 12:01 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	So any great winner pick posts yet? I remember this one guy who used to post in edgic that would do these Episode 5 winner posts that I used to love, boy I miss that guy. On a serious note, it's great to see things still going strong in edgic, I was watching tonight and my edgic radar has been zoning in on Todd and Amanda so I thought I'd hop over and see what was going on. It's nice to see that the numbers back that up. I hadn't considered PG really until I hit up edgic, but now that I think about it she has that classic Edgic winner feel to her. My personal edgic gut says that Todd fits more of how recent winners have been edited especially with the slight negative twinge and early complexity (something the editors shied away from in the early seasons). It's almost as if the slight of hand has changed in recent years. The editors seem less afraid to stay with the winner's story all season. I guess I'll have to get to work on that "One Season under Todd" post now. Miss you guys, have fun. Dice (rollin with dice dot com)
astroline		#2226	[-]
Posts: 507 (11/09/07 12:02 AM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Ja, but MOR1 makes no sense. If they're a 1 visibility, it's UTR for a reason. MOR = MIDDLE of the road. A 1 visibility is nowhere near the middle of anything. Nor was Frosti. His presence as a "swing vote" didn't really matter. He didn't get asked anything at TC, he didn't even have a face shot during the whole thing. I didn't even remember it. If it truly mattered, he would have had a Parvati edit, not a Jenn one. And a MOR1 just doesn't make sense. One confessional of talking about a vote just amounts to a brief glimpse of strategic narration, which is definitely UTR. If he was truly MOR, his visibility would have been higher. That's the point. Oh, and can we give Jaime an UTR1? She got so many face shots at TC, and SPV's! :) Courtney is officially on my winner's list. Peih Gee is still #1, followed by Courtney, and I guess Amanda & Todd can fight it out for #3.
BlakeB717		#2227	[-]
Posts: 556 (11/09/07 12:04 AM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Hey pastor:) I had a quick question for whoever can answer me first. I missed the first 6 minutes (the scene then intro). Can anyone tell me what happened after the recap but before the intro? (the scene)
SFC		#2228	[-]
Posts: 64 (11/09/07 12:09 AM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	After this episode my winners list is 1 Peih-Gee 2 Courtney 3 Todmanda (I still see them as one player) 4 James 5 Erik 6 Frosti 7 Denise
OnlyTheHunter		#2229	[-]
Posts: 1141 (11/09/07 12:11 AM) Edgician Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Can't post much tonight but I'm staying with Todd as the winner. Amanda is smoothing out his edges, keeps us worrying, but as JR said, Todd's more in charge, more worthy. Michael
BlakeB717		#2230	[-]
Posts: 557 (11/09/07 12:13 AM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Can someone please answer my question ?
SFC		#2231	[-]
Posts: 65 (11/09/07 12:15 AM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	BlakeB717 wrote: Can someone please answer my question ? Jean Robert talked about how freaked out he was about the fake idol, and then there was the new intro followed by a commercial break.
BlakeB717		#2232	[-]
Posts: 558 (11/09/07 12:22 AM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Again, I know it's early, but I got my 2nd watch done and I'm open to change any ratings if I feel I need to.
colleenlover		#2233	[-]
Posts: 7291 (11/09/07 12:23 AM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Blake, Courtney also had sixteen complex confessionals before the credits tonight where she talked about a death in her family, seeking internal strength, sizing up each of the players and also talked about her new found respect for the culture.
cantthinkofaname		#2234	[-]
Posts: 993 (11/09/07 12:28 AM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Until I read the recent posts, I thought I was gonna be alone in thinking Todd was OTTN. So don't be afraid to give him OTTN, people.
Seyz		#2235	[-]
Posts: 50 (11/09/07 12:45 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Pulau Tiga wrote: I'll say this: PG's character has now been officially tied up in ZH. That's her storyline. She represents the ZH tribe. Not herself. She can no longer win. She'll come close, and fall short. She'll lose every battle and fight to try to win the overall war, but no winner will ever be edited as a figurehead of a tribe rather than as a representation of their own character. PG lives and dies in ZH's storyline. Every time she talks strategy, it's about fighting for ZH, not for herself. She's purposefully presented as the leader of ZH in Episode 1 (and in the recap of that episode), but not because she wins, because she's the embodiment of the tribe. She throws challenges to keep ZH alive. After the merge, she's all about maintaing ZH and fighting to keep them around. It's never about PG, it's about Zhan Hu. And Zhan Hu won't win. By the same respect if Zhan Hu wins, she wins meaning by all respects she could still win. I think it would be for editing success if the leader of the losing tribe battles until the very end and ends up winning. Also I think Amanda's constant commenting about logically booting PG and them not doing it is foreshadowing of the biggest blunder they're making in the game; that they're not voting out PG when they can.
SurvivorLeo		#2236	[-]
Posts: 219 (11/09/07 5:12 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Just finished watching EP8, and from my view... the Top 3 contenders for the win seem to be Todd, Peih Gee and Courtney. With Todd just barely making the list. Todd - His being a contender is mainly because of a really good edit strategy-wise. He's always on top of his game. However, it seems to me that's the only thing he's ever been shown for -- his game. Not seeing much character and personality. Not endearing at all. Has "distraction" written all over him. Too OTT over-all for my taste. But I won't cross him outta my list just yet. His comment about feeling like he's the only one playing the game still lingers in my mind. Might as well be a winner's quote right there. Peih Gee - She's developed quite nicely since her almost N in the first episode. I don't think her edit is tied solely with the Zhan Hu tribe. Since the merge, she's been shown as being pretty aware of her position in the game as an individual as she's always been ("after this vote, I'll know if I'm gonna be in a very good position or a sucky position" or something to that effect) and as someone who is constantly finding her way through the Fei Long alliance. Which is really good for her chances. I'm only a bit worried by the previews for the next episode. It could be her make or break episode. Courtney - Not entirely convinced about her chances as of yet. Editing-wise, she's been pretty consistent. And her winning the battle over Jean-Robert could lead the way for her winning the war. She's like the antithesis to Todd who overthinks everything everytime. She's an UTR player in that she doesnt delve much into strategy, but she sure isn't UTR in the viewers' eyes as she's constantly been focused throughout the season. The viewers actually know her and has feelings about her, be it N or P. --- A couple others... Amanda - She's like the counterweight to Todd. She IS the voice of reason, but doesn't really do much to push for that reason. After this episode, in my view, she could be playing the messenger of doom. She's calling Todd on the bad decisions he's making that could, and possibly eventually would lead to his downfall. Seeing that however, she doesn't really do much about it. OR I could be wrong and she ends up winning the whole thing, possible. But there just hasn't been much to support that scenario so far. Denise - I think her role in all this would be like James' scorned wife. I speculate that she will play a big role in James' and maybe ultimately the alliance's downfall. The stage has been set. Right around pre-merge, we were shown how much she trusts James more than anyone in the Fei Long tribe. And now we're shown how she's being left out of the group. Then to add insult to injury, we see James pretty much dismissing her as unimportant in this episode despite her self-proclaimed loyalty to him. Her confessionals this episode pretty much supports that she doesn't feel like she belongs to the alliance as much as before, and that she is capable of turning against them if she had to. She had a conversation with Peih-Gee about turning the game around (she said something like "I'll go with you guys (Peih-Gee & Co.) if I thought that would be the best for me"), which was a loose-end that was never tied-up in this episode as well. I say we haven't seen the resolution to that arc just yet. Last Edited By: SurvivorLeo 11/09/07 5:19 AM. Edited 3 times.
scepticA		#2237	[-]
Posts: 1148 (11/09/07 8:40 AM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Many of the things Todd said or did that other people thought of as N were to me not very negative. I say that because when looking back on them I pretty much agree with just about everything he said. JR was always three steps behind the others. James really is a dangerous person for Todd, and when he said those things, and also his abrupt change in "brilliant strategy" he had... they all made sense at that pont in time. The problem strategywise is that their alliance is cracking because of it. James would have been the far better boot for Todd. I know that most here are going to pin the N tail on donkey Todd, but so much of his negativity to me derives from the sheer thrill he is getting from playing the game. He is lovin' it out there, and as someone who tried a couple of times to get on it gladdens my heart to see a real fan of the show embrace the experience. Nevertheless, his S rating should be negative. Just not his tone. One last thing. I find it interesting that both Todd and Amanda have echoes of Chris in their edits. Chris was always happinly trying a new strategiy, veering this way and that during the course of S9. But he was also the voice of reason regarding the "meta-strategy" of when to boot people are annoying: Just - not - yet. Sorta like Todd and Amanda. Maybe they'll tie.... heh.
crzypunk2004		#2238	[-]
Posts: 2506 (11/09/07 9:05 AM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Todd got mad at Jean Robert for coming up with the same plan as him, which led to a scene about getting rid of him. I'd say he was N.
TheLurkerSpeaks		#2239	[-]
Posts: 1010 (11/09/07 9:05 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Ratings for the episode: James - MORN. He's getting cocky, and he was shown as dismissing the real danger to him from Todd. While he's dismissing the "high school friends", he may be missing that aspect of securing his own win. Not good socially indeed. Todd - OTTN. Napoleon complex? Sheesh - he's coming off as a bit unhinged. Amanda - CP. There's still no tone, and the CP itself is weak, but it is more development than we've seen up to this point for her. Denise - CPP. She does struggle with her decision that turns out to be irrelevant, and who couldn't feel sorry for her not being picked to play? Frosti - MOR. The swing vote routine only works so long as you use it eventually. That's all there was this episode. Peih Gee - MOR. It is a holding episode for her. She's shown continuing to play, but the focus is elsewhere this episode. Erik - MORP. He gets to be on TV after all! And he's actually pretty likeable. James calls him out on his efforts at TC, but he does so with respect. Courtney - MORP. I think we were meant to be pleased for her that she won the immunity challenge after failing so badly at the reward (and all along). And now that she's finally got her way with Jean-Robert, her comments concerning him weren't nearly so combative as they had been. Who knows? Now that he's gone, perhaps she'll get a more involved story. Jean-Robert - CPN. He's the second juror to get the moron edit on the way out, and his final words were delusional. They booted you because they didn't like you to begin with, and then you confronted both James and Todd during the course of the game, angering them. Personally, I didn't think he was all that bad, but the intent of the editing is pretty clear. The editing was pretty good tonight. The promo had set me up to expect James as the red herring vote so I half expected him to win immunity with Erik getting voted out instead. Then, when the non-reward winners hatched their plan, it looked like Jean-Robert could go, but I doubted that they'd get Denise and Frosti to go along. When James failed to win immunity, it looked like he might be in trouble after all, but I wondered whether a split among the Fei Longs might not send Jean-Robert home. Then when Todd changed the plan again, I expected Jean-Robert going home almost unanimously. And then the votes started coming out for James, and I'd wondered if I'd missed another Todd reversal. Turns out Jean-Robert must have cut a deal with Erik where he and Peih Gee would vote with him against James - no doubt he was also expecting to have Todd and Amanda as well. I wonder if Denise let Peih Gee know how she had decided to vote such that she abandoned the prior plan. Given the past history, it is unlikely that Frosti did.
dennydoylelives		#2240	[-]
Posts: 989 (11/09/07 9:11 AM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Preliminary rankings Amanda - CP3. Courtney's Watchdog initial report - MORP2. Again, she doesn't eliminate herself, but her 2 main storyline themes closed up last night. The feud with Genie Bobbie ended with a whimper, the she didn't really orchestrate, and she managed to win a challenge, and show her assets, or whatever Jiffy said she might do down the line when she wasn't exactly a challenge powerhouse in the tribal segment of the game. Now she can win if that was all holding pattern until her endgame begins, (like Danni's "You were an NFL quarterback", "No, you're thinking of the other Gary from C. Michigan. I'm a landscaper" distraction.) Denise - MORP2, with potential CPP2 with her not being picked as a little fat kid confessional. Erik - MOR2. When the hell did he get game savvy? Frosti - UTR1. At least Eliza still has the distinction of being the youngest player ever to get airtime. James - OTT4. Johnny Bob - CPN5. That was some bluff he pulled off on Erik. Doyle Brunson eat your heart out. PG - MORP2. My unwavering winner choice since ep. 5, and top 2 choice since ep. 3. I'm staying on that bandwagon since she's given no reason to jump off. Todd - CPN3 or OTTN3, I haven't decided yet. I can easily see him losing in front of a jury. They've shown how he could have lost every vote so far except for Amanda and possibly Denise. For that reason, he's moved up to my #2 choice to win, finally moving ahead of Courtney. Last Edited By: dennydoylelives 11/09/07 10:26 AM. Edited 1 times.

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