i dont even think i'm going watch it.
since i realy dont watch TV during the summer
since i realy dont watch TV during the summer
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Family Final Four
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Re: FF-4 Family Final Four | ||
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Posts: 635 (05/14/07 11:51 AM) Registered user |
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Lady V |
Finale! | ||
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Posts: 754 (05/23/07 5:39 PM) |
****~~ EIGHT FF4 PREDICTIONS AND RESULTS FOR S14: ~~****
1) the F6 will contain an E, an F, an M, and some kids. (12 of 14 seasons) **CORRECT! 2) F4 will not contain two people with the same role. (11 of 14) **CORRECT! 3) the F2 generally will not be two kids. (3 of 14) However, in the rare case the F2 is two kids, at least one will be an "unusual" child with strong "adult" (leader) tendencies. **CORRECT! 4) the F2 will not be two dads nor two moms. (0/14) **CORRECT! 5) the F2 will be an 'adult' and child. (6 of 14 seasons) TIME TO DELETE THIS PREDICTION? **? We had an F3 this time... 6) the winner will not be E. (0/14) **CORRECT! 7) If a parent is in the F2 with a non-parent, the parent will win. (7/8) **? Again... we had an F3. But the parent did win. 8) There will not be 2 Fs or 2Ms in the F6 (0/14). **CORRECT! WE ROCK!!! We got them all correct this time. And we got the FF4 once again: F, M, S, E Cheers, everyone!!! |
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Lady V |
FF4 historical ratings | ||
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Posts: 754 (05/23/07 5:41 PM) |
S1: F,D,M,E
S2: M,S,F,D S3: S,M,F,E S4: M,D,M,F S5: F,S,M,E S6: D,E,S,F S7: M,E,S,D S8: D,S,M,F S9: F,E,M,D S10: F,D,S,D S11: D,D,S,M (this being the first no-F in F4 season--F left at F7) S12: S,D,F,M S13: S,E,D,M (this being the second no-F in F4 season--F left at F7) S14: F,M/S,E (winner first, 2nd second, etc.) |
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fat little fingers |
Re: FF4 historical ratings | ||
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Posts: 6326 (05/25/07 10:37 AM) Registered User |
Quote:Lady V, I think in the case of both Mother and Father making the final vote, the Father has the stronger chance of winning if he is seen as "morally straight" in his play. When Earl told Yau-Man that he voted him off because he thought that he, Earl, could not beat him, that sealed it for Earl. The rest of the Family (the jury) always seems to want honesty topmost at the Final TC. I think given the choice between a successful Father and a successful Mother, the active leadership of the Farther wins out. If MichaelS had survived to the Final in Australia, I wonder if Tina could win. Mothers are revered over Siblings for being the nurturers and peacemakers among the bickering kids. But a successful Father/leader always trumps that, imo. In a 3-way Final vote, my logical order of possible winner would be Father, then Mother, then Sibling. End of ramble. ;-) |
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Lady V |
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Posts: 754 (06/20/07 12:39 AM) |
FLF wrote:
Quote: I agree, FLF. The F will win in that case because it is essentially an archetypal masculine role to survive in the wilderness, and so far, all of the Fs of Survivor have been male. |
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fat little fingers |
Re: FF4 historical ratings | ||
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Posts: 6326 (06/20/07 10:55 AM) Registered User |
Hey, welcome back in the off-season, LV. :)
Yes, the Mothers, if honest, would always acknowledge the importance of the Father in their surviving to the Final. Cassandra showed that a woman can pull off consciously attempting the Mother role, but if she isn't genuinely nurturing or important to the Siblings, she will get slammed for the act. A Mother "charms" her way to the top by combining deviousness with genuine nurturing. She has to fulfill the real emotional need for the others. That's the big part of Family Final Four: that the roles are genuine on some level, maybe even the top level, with manipulation the next level down. You can't fake leadership or emotional support. At least, there has to be some effectiveness in it. Lady V, I don't think we'll ever see a female leader on Survivor. Every woman who has shown overt leadership has been quickly voted off. Women have to be a combo of charming and subversive to survive. Call it the "Hillary Factor". When a man is aggressive and proactive, he's respected. A woman is quickly labelled a pushy bitch. |
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birdlady |
role vs reality | ||
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Posts: 3023 (06/20/07 10:58 AM) Registered user |
So if there were an all-female Survivor, would someone in the Father role still win?
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fat little fingers |
Re: role vs reality | ||
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Posts: 6326 (06/20/07 3:53 PM) Registered User |
Well no, silly. :)
But it's an interesting question as to how the women would feel about the more assertive in their group(s). Both men and women have to tread carefully when trying to show leadership, but the women have always had a much more difficult time of it. Sexism has always been front and center with Survivor players. I can't think of too many times when women have had success stepping out of traditional stereotypical roles, eg., Mother, Flirt, Passive Coattail Rider (ie., "Just Little Ol' Helpless Girl Here".) Physical skill is valued in women tribe members, but not leadership. Stephanie was physically skilled, but was very leery of being seen as a leader on Palau. She became the Big-Deal-Leader in Guatemala, but she also lost and she was portrayed as a nasty bitch, compared to her Virgin-Warrior-Princess edit on Palau. Women can be aggressive as Sisters, usually with another Sister and always in secret. (Duh!) Sometimes with a Brother or a Father, but then it is never as the leader but the follower (Romber). Hey don't get on my case about the sexism, I'm just the observer. Lol. |
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Lady V |
Re: role vs reality | ||
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Posts: 754 (06/25/07 5:52 PM) |
I agree, FLF-- it's a tricky line to walk, the mother role on Survivor!
An all-woman survivor. Hmmmmmmmmmm..... ;) |
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fat little fingers |
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Posts: 6326 (06/25/07 6:58 PM) Registered User |
Vanuatu was an interesting experiment. It came the closest to all-female with a chance to see the dynamics in one tribe for an extended period. One of the most interesting Survivor seasons for me. I'd love it if they tried it again.
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ProbstFan123 |
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Posts: 10465 (07/24/07 9:41 AM) Registered user |
You're a talkative guy.
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Lady V |
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Posts: 619 (08/13/07 11:53 PM) |
Oh my (shaking dust off self). Did we make it? To the new board???
(This is scary.) |
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fat little fingers |
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Posts: 4795 (08/14/07 9:42 PM) Registered User |
Lady V! You're alive!
If you feel like a newb, you're not alone. |
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Lady V |
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Posts: 620 (08/14/07 11:07 PM) |
Yes! I feel like a newb! HI FLF (waving wildly)!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Now when does the new season start, hmm? I've been hooked on So You Think You Can Dance.
Makes me want to start hoofing it up! How's it going up your way?
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fat little fingers |
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Posts: 4800 (08/15/07 10:05 PM) Registered User |
Welcome to the sparkly land of Friends and Koodies, Lady V!
Believe me, the less you know about how to navigate yuku, the more you simply show that you have a life. Survivor premieres September 20th at its usual time. So You Think You Can Dance is hands down the best show of the summer! |
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Lady V |
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Posts: 621 (09/20/07 10:08 PM) |
Welcome (back), everyone!!!! (waving)
Here is a repost of what we are doing here at FF4! (from 2004) I find it fascinating how, in each season, little family configurations seem to ally and hold tight, and how the members of each 'family' end up in the F4. Almost all of us grew up in families of some kind--mother (M), father (F), kids (S,D=son, daughter), maybe an eccentric uncle/grandparent type (E) in the mix. Under stressful conditions, people naturally reproduce a time in their lives when they felt safest. All of us can be mothers, fathers, weird people, kids, yet we typically feel more comfortable in one of these roles more than others when we find ourselves in social groups. So it goes for the survivors, also. Some of them we've even named for their role (e.g., "Mama Kim"). Those of us who are psychologically minded sense that there are all kinds of dynamics that play out between siblings, between children and their parents, and between parents and their 'weird' relations. I've had fun watching these patterns get re-enacted on Survivor, season after season. I went back and looked at the F4 for all the seasons, put a * by who won and a - by 2nd place, and classified their editing as one of these four family characters. These are ordered within F4 by likeability as rated by Kirblar in the 'Overdogs, Underdogs..' thread who noted that the most liked player rarely wins (top=most likable to bottom=least). Final 4s: S1: Rudy: E Rich: F* Kelly: D- Sue: M ...so Rudy was most likeable, eccentric, Rich won as 2nd most likeable and was edited as a complex, negative father, Kelly came in 2nd as a daughter, and so on... S2: Elizabeth: D Tina: M* Colby: S- Keith: F S3: Ethan: S* Lex: F Tom: E Kim J: M- S4: Kathy: M Paschal: F Vecepia: M* Neleh: D- S5: Helen: M Brian: F* Clay: S- Jan: E S6: Rob: S Jenna: D* Matt: E- Butch: F S7: Sandra: M* Darrah: D Lillian: E- Jon: S S8: Rupert: F Amber: D* Jenna: M Rob M: S - S9: Scout: M Chris: F* Twila: E - Eliza: D S10: Ian: S Tom: F* Katie: D- Jenn: D S11: Stephanie: D- Danni: D* Rafe: S Lydia: M S12: Terry: F Cerie: M Aras: S* Danielle: D- HISTORICAL FF4 DATA BY SEASON (winner listed first, second next, and so on): S1: F,D,M,E S2: M,S,F,D S3: S,M,F,E S4: M,D,M,F S5: F,S,M,E S6: D,E,S,F S7: M,E,S,D S8: D,S,M,F S9: F,E,M,D S10: F,D,S,D S11: D,D,S,M (this being the first no-F in F4 season--F left at F7) S12: S,D,F,M S13: S,E,D,M (this being the second no-F in F4 season--F left at F7) S14: F,M/S,E From observing this in 2004, the predictions in the next post were developed, and they have held up pretty well so far! :) |
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Posts: 622 (09/20/07 10:12 PM) |
****~~ EIGHT FF4 PREDICTIONS AND # CORRECT SO FAR: ~~****
1) the F6 will contain an E, an F, an M, and some kids. (12 of 14 seasons) 2) F4 will not contain two people with the same role. (11 of 14) 3) the F2 generally will not be two kids. (11 of 14); in the rare case the F2 is two kids, at least one will be an "unusual" child with strong "adult" (leader) tendencies (3 of 3) 4) the F2 will not be two dads nor two moms. (14/14) 5) the F2 will be an 'adult' and child. (6 of 13 seasons... no F2 in S14) TIME TO DELETE THIS PREDICTION? 6) the winner will not be E. (14/14) 7) If a parent is in the F2 with a non-parent, the parent will win. (7/8--in S14, no F2, but a parent did win) 8) There will not be 2 Fs or 2Ms in the F6 (14/14). |
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Posts: 623 (09/20/07 10:19 PM) |
Very early...thoughts on S15, episode 1 (missed the first few minutes):
Zhan Hu: Looks motherless so far Ashley: vying for F which will make her E or eliminated Dave: F "our tribe" Eric: probably S Frosti: S Peih-Gee: attempting a masculine M role, see Ashley, above Sherea: D blonde woman (name?!): probably D RIP Chicken, E Fei Long: All the categories are in this tribe = strongest tribe Aaron: F, reluctantly Amanda: ? Courtney: D, and unhappy Denise: possible M ("she wants the flint") James: E (F) (loner, but working hard) Jean-Robert: ? Leslie: possible M (E) (comforting James) Todd: S (scheming, but not protective) |
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groton |
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Posts: 634 (09/21/07 6:15 AM) Registered user |
yeah loss of chicken does mean there is really only two father i see this season and that is Dave and Aaron:
but the guy I think should do good This season as a E/S is Jean-Robert since he is should have the reading people and personalty game down pact dude is one of the Top Fifty Best Poker players in the world |
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fat little fingers |
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Posts: 4867 (09/21/07 1:33 PM) Registered User |
Alright, game on! And it looks like a promising group. Some real characters this season.
Only have watched once so far, so this is off the cuff. Lady V, I see Peih- Gee a little differently. Her first camera highlight was her getting weepy and emotional about the Chinese experience. Later she chafes about the youngest group playing around and talking nightlife. She admits that she can be playful, but she recognized the need to get serious and work. Later her response to the terrible night and the challenge loss was to get emotional and then Papa gave her a shoulder to cry on. Then she tells the group that they need to start pulling together if the hope to survive. These are much more Mother acts. I agree that her big problem is the "pushy" "trying to take charge" comments. There was also the "You could be in trouble for asking for the leadership" comment from Jeff at TC that cut to her smile dropping to one of alarm. She may be dead for trying to be a leader. Dead because of her role confusion? Maybe...probably. But, she could still turn it around. |
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