LOST ... in the Nielsens (a ratings thread)

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SurvivorLDog93	LOST ... in the Nielsens (a ratings thread)	Lead	[-]
Posts: 21023 (06/02/06 8:41 AM) Admin/Play-By-Play Guru Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Finale week results, from zap2it: Network Primetime Averages by Total Households week of 05/22/06-05/28/06 Sort by Viewers Top 20 Network Primetime Series: Total Households Rank Program Name Net Day Time Household Viewers Rating/Share Audience 1 AMERICAN IDOL-WEDNESDAY FOX Wed 8:00 PM 20.5/32.0 22,564,000 36,378,000 2 AMERICAN IDOL-TUESDAY FOX Tue 8:00 PM 18.2/29.0 20,023,000 31,784,000 3 HOUSE FOX Tue 9:00 PM 15.1/23.0 16,628,000 25,473,000 4 CSI: MIAMI CBS Mon 10:00 PM 12.7/20.0 13,980,000 19,957,000 5 LOST ABC Wed 9:00 PM 10.3/16.0 11,345,000 17,841,000 6 TWO AND A HALF MEN CBS Mon 9:00 PM 9.8/15.0 10,818,000 15,509,000 7 CSI CBS Thu 9:00 PM 9.0/15.0 9,972,000 13,280,000 8 DEAL OR NO DEAL-MON NBC Mon 8:00 PM 8.8/14.0 9,676,000 14,214,000 9 OLD CHRISTINE CBS Mon 9:30 PM 8.5/12.0 9,358,000 13,060,000 10 O. WINFREY LEGENDS BALL(S) ABC Mon 8:00 PM 8.4/13.0 9,240,000 11,594,000 10 WITHOUT A TRACE CBS Thu 10:01 PM 8.4/15.0 9,210,000 11,826,000 12 24 FOX Mon 8:00 PM 8.2/12.0 9,002,000 13,751,000 13 ACM AWARDS(S) CBS Tue 8:00 PM 7.6/12.0 8,348,000 12,016,000 14 SO YOU THINK CN DANCE-THU FOX Thu 8:00 PM 6.9/12.0 7,589,000 10,697,000 15 MEDIUM NBC Mon 10:00 PM 6.8/11.0 7,531,000 10,040,000 16 APPRENTICE 5 NBC Mon 9:02 PM 6.4/9.0 7,067,000 9,961,000 17 CSI: NY CBS Wed 10:00 PM 5.8/9.0 6,351,000 8,347,000 18 NUMB3RS CBS Fri 10:00 PM 5.7/11.0 6,283,000 8,247,000 19 KING OF QUEENS CBS Mon 8:00 PM 5.6/9.0 6,202,000 8,386,000 20 LOST SP-5/24(S) ABC Wed 8:00 PM 5.5/9.0 6,027,000 8,377,000
Boo Radley 2001	Re: LOST ... in the Nielsens (a ratings thread)	#1	[-]
Posts: 1596 (06/02/06 2:21 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	CSI and Without a Trace were reruns, if I'm not mistaken. br
Save The Humans	Re: LOST ... in the Nielsens (a ratings thread)	#2	[-]
Posts: 177 (06/02/06 8:51 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Let's keep an eye out for the Final Season Ratings Rankings, folks! I wanna see if the Finale's success boosted LOST into the Top 10 of the season, or not!
PumaPeggy	Re: LOST ... in the Nielsens (a ratings thread)	#3	[-]
Posts: 1270 (06/02/06 9:50 PM) I don't get most of the jokes Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	This from USA today: Top broadcast shows Rank Season average Show title Network Viewers in millions 1. 2 American Idol - Wednesday Fox 36.4 2. 1 American Idol - Tuesday Fox 31.8 3. 11 House Fox 25.5 4. 8 CSI: Miami CBS 20.0 5. 18 Lost ABC 17.8 6. 15 Two And a Half Men CBS 15.5 7. 16 Deal or No Deal - Monday NBC 14.2 8. 31 24 Fox 13.8 9. 3 CSI: Crime Scene Investigation CBS 13.3 10. 28 New Adventures of Old Christine CBS 13.1 11. X Academy of Country Music Awards CBS 12.0 12. 5 Without a Trace CBS 11.8 13. X Oprah Winfrey's Legends Ball ABC 11.6 14. 45 So You Think You Can Dance - Thursday Fox 10.7 15. 36 Medium NBC 10.0 15. 56 The Apprentice 5 NBC 10.0 17. 52 The King of Queens CBS 8.4 17. X Lost ABC 8.4 17. 81 Fox NASCAR Nextel Cup Fox 8.4 20. 19 CSI: N.Y. CBS 8.3 Compiled by Nielsen Media Research notice how both of these claim to be from Nielson...and yet they don't even match up? :)Peggy
Save The Humans	Re: LOST ... in the Nielsens (a ratings thread)	#4	[-]
Posts: 177 (06/02/06 11:46 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Eighteenth for the season. It's the reruns. The reruns KILLED them! No wonder ABC finally came 'round to our point of view! FUMES
damienx207	Re: LOST ... in the Nielsens (a ratings thread)	#5	[-]
Posts: 361 (06/03/06 11:45 AM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Isn't that a list of the ratings for finale week, and not the whole season? Um yeah.
Remote33	Re: LOST ... in the Nielsens (a ratings thread)	#6	[-]
Posts: 8393 (06/03/06 2:47 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	The Apprentice beat LOST? The fucking Apprentice?
Sardonically Irreverent	Re: LOST ... in the Nielsens (a ratings thread)	#7	[-]
Posts: 12950 (06/03/06 2:54 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	An all new episode of Apprentice beat a rerun of a recap of Lost by two positions. No big deal really.
SurvivorSurvivorSurvivor	Re: LOST ... in the Nielsens (a ratings thread)	#8	[-]
Posts: 5913 (06/03/06 5:45 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Those ratings do match up..........the LOST season finale is fifth for the week with 17.8 million viewers in both.
PumaPeggy	Re: LOST ... in the Nielsens (a ratings thread)	#9	[-]
Posts: 1270 (06/03/06 6:46 PM) I don't get most of the jokes Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	17 CSI: NY CBS Wed 10:00 PM 5.8/9.0 6,351,000 8,347,000 18 NUMB3RS CBS Fri 10:00 PM 5.7/11.0 6,283,000 8,247,000 19 KING OF QUEENS CBS Mon 8:00 PM 5.6/9.0 6,202,000 8,386,000 20 LOST SP-5/24(S) ABC Wed 8:00 PM 5.5/9.0 6,027,000 8,377,000 17. 52 The King of Queens CBS 8.4 17. X Lost ABC 8.4 17. 81 Fox NASCAR Nextel Cup Fox 8.4 20. 19 CSI: N.Y. CBS 8.3 this doesn't match
SurvivorSurvivorSurvivor	Re: LOST ... in the Nielsens (a ratings thread)	#10	[-]
Posts: 5913 (06/03/06 6:52 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Ah, but they rounded the numbers, hence why the placement changed for those shows. They were practically earning the same amount of viewers, anyway.
AbMagFab	Re: LOST ... in the Nielsens (a ratings thread)	#11	[-]
Posts: 108 (06/05/06 1:47 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Lost finished 18th for the season. That list is just for the finale week rankings, but you'll notice the (smushed) season ranking in there as well. To say "repeats killed Lost" makes no sense. Lost had no more or fewer repeats than any other series. All regular series run 22-25 episodes a year, over roughly the same timeframe (September/October through May). Ergo, the same number of repeats. The 17 series that beat Lost also had to deal with repeats. The few exceptions are the shows that started in January and ran straight through, but that is a very small bunch (AI, 24, and a couple others), and I think only AI is in the top 10, perhaps the only one in the top 20 for the season. Lost is doing poorly in the ratings all on it's own. If you want it to succeed, you can't count on the change in the way the season is broken up (for Season 3), you're going to have to get more people to watch it. Or just sit back, and it runs a high chance of being cancelled next year. Up to you.
PAPAYOKE	Re: LOST ... in the Nielsens (a ratings thread)	#12	[-]
Posts: 20084 (06/05/06 3:19 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	You're conveniently ignoring the type of show that LOST is. A show like CSI which isn't serially based, wherein each episode stands alone and you don't need to understand the backstory to get into an episode isn't going to be hurt by reruns as a show that is built on backstories and previous episodes. To further complicate matters, LOST thrives on cliffhangers and surprising revelations and the idea of "tuning in to see what happens next." You keep following up new episodes with reruns (and old ass reruns too - how many other shows with reruns had reruns from previous seasons?) and you ruin the flow of the story, which does turn off viewers. And the comments made by people in my office who watch LOST (several of whom don't watch much else) bear that out.
PumaPeggy	Re: LOST ... in the Nielsens (a ratings thread)	#13	[-]
Posts: 1270 (06/05/06 3:33 PM) I don't get most of the jokes Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Shows such as American Idol ( on 2 nights a week) and Dancing with the Stars ( on two nights a week) and Survivor (2 different games)...make Lost show up at 18th for the season. The second number indicates the number of shows that were being used to determine the ratings...Lost has the highest. But when you just put down the shows themselves...no incl the number of nights they are on...this is an accurate list of what order they fall: (source zap2it nielsen ratings) 1. American Idol 19 (two nights) 2. CSI 33 3. Desperate Housewifes 29 4. Grey's Anatomy 31 5. Without a Trace 32 6. Dancing with the Stars 8 (two nights) 7. CSI Miami 32 8. Survivor 13 (two different games) 9. Monday Night Football 16 10. House 26 11. NCIS 33 12. The Unit 11 13.Two and a Half Men 32 14. Deal or no Deal 13 15. Lost 34 When you take out reality/game shows and place it with it's true peers...Lost is #10 on the actual drama/comedy show list. That is definitely farther down then I'd like to see it.
PumaPeggy	Re: LOST ... in the Nielsens (a ratings thread)	#14	[-]
Posts: 1270 (06/05/06 3:48 PM) I don't get most of the jokes Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	quote: The 17 series that beat Lost also had to deal with repeats. inaccurate...reality and football shows don't run repeats. and when you put Lost up against the other 9 drama/ comedies peers...it DID have the highest number of repeats...which I believe did hurt it's ratings. Papayote is completely correct by breaking it down even further...series that run serialized and those that don't.
PAPAYOKE	Re: LOST ... in the Nielsens (a ratings thread)	#15	[-]
Posts: 20084 (06/05/06 4:42 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Moreover, seems like I've heard quite a few posters say something to the effect of "I never know when it's a new episode of LOST, so I'll wait until the DVD comes out and watch them all at once." The reruns/scheduling of LOST definitely hurt it, even more so than other shows like DESPERATE HOUSEWIVES and GREY'S ANATOMY, which are serialized, but don't require as much of an attention span. I almost wish LOST was a cable series.
Save The Humans	Re: LOST ... in the Nielsens (a ratings thread)	#16	[-]
Posts: 177 (06/05/06 7:39 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	*Quote:* All regular series Except, as has been noted, there is nothing regular about the series LOST! Thanks, PAPAYOKE, for an excellent argument! We shall see, next season, how a season of only original eppys (that ran straight through over two separate times during the season) does/doesn't improve LOST's standing. That DVD argument is the single most insidious obstacle LOST faces, though--unless viewers can get those two start dates for the two runs of shows straight. ABC has their work cut out for them. If "normal" viewers can get it etched in their heads that weekly NEW eppys of LOST will air over two segments of time during the season, they'll probably tune in, not wanting to wait for the DVD to come out. If the hype campaign fails, then LOST is in trouble. I don't know what would result, or what would be worse--cancellation, or a move to another night and time. This had better be your best hype campaign ever, ABC!
AbMagFab	Re: LOST ... in the Nielsens (a ratings thread)	#17	[-]
Posts: 108 (06/05/06 8:32 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	And you have to count on a lot of word of mouth. Too much hype can kill the series, too, should it fail to deliver to the level of the hype (which sort of happened a few times this season). It sounds like what you're all saying, is what major network execs have been saying for a while - that serialized dramas don't work on commercial television. 24 I think is the only exception, and it's not doing too well in the ratings either (but it's on Fox, where the bar is a little lower). And they run it 20 weeks straight, and it's a very different, action-only show. Bottom line - you can't rely only on ABC hype. You need to get your word-of-mouth advertising in high gear!
PAPAYOKE	Re: LOST ... in the Nielsens (a ratings thread)	#18	[-]
Posts: 20084 (06/05/06 10:22 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I don't follow ratings regularly, but I thought I read that 24's ratings improved and stabilized after FOX decided to air it non-stop without reruns or interruptions, in the spring. Like LOST (and maybe even more so), the flow of the season is strongly affected by the schedule. I also think HOUSE benefitted from having the last couple of episodes air non-stop after a brief hiatus.
Save The Humans	Re: LOST ... in the Nielsens (a ratings thread)	#19	[-]
Posts: 177 (06/05/06 11:27 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Let us hope that such a strategy works for LOST, too!
SurvivorSurvivorSurvivor	Re: LOST ... in the Nielsens (a ratings thread)	#20	[-]
Posts: 5913 (06/06/06 2:55 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	The ratings for both 24 and LOST are still very good.......Top 30 shows.......and saying that "the bar is set lower at FOX" makes no sense considering that FOX is the highest rated network in the key demographic 18-49 year olds. 24 did have an upswing thanks to the lack of reruns, and something to that effect could do nothing but help LOST. The real problem with the reruns was that the middle of the season was horrible, so people just forgot to watch altogether or didn't even bother. LOST really needs to keep the quality level up, if nothing more. It's the same thing that sank Star Trek and The X-Files and really any other sci-fi series.......once it started going downhill, the people quickly flee.

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